GRADUAL INTERVIEW (November 2006)
Tom Bracken: Dear Stephen:
This question regards the role of “myths” as they impact on human history.
I had the occasion to hear Barbara Rossing, a New Testament scholar, speak on her book regarding the Book of Revelations and the (unfortunately) popular “Left Behind” series. She contends that there is no basis for the notion that the Bible predicts a “rapture”, or that Jesus will return and lead a violent confrontation with the Anti-Christ, etc. She felt that Revelation was meant to be a description of the evil of the Roman Empire in the first century and the need for Christians to follow Jesus rather than Caesar. Furthermore, she felt the whole “Left Behind” scenario was dangerous, in two ways. First, it ignores the real crisis on our hands, that of ecology and global warming. Second, it encourages us to welcome war in the Middle East as a “sign” that the end times are near.So, although she thinks this popular “myth” about the end times is unjustified, she also recognizes the power it may have on current popular and political thinking. (There are members of our president’s Cabinet that fully ascribe to this interpretation of scripture!)
I see several analogous situations in your work. It is never clear to us whether Thomas Covenant returned truly as predicted by the old Lords, or whether he is truly the new “Berek the Halfhand”. Still, as people believe that he is, he ends up fulfilling that prophecy , whether or not it was ever valid.
There is also some analogy in The Wounded Land. The focus of the attack on the land is largely ecological; nature has been distorted by humans’ evil actions (with Foul’s direction of course). People believe in the “myths” which are propoganda dispersed by Foul about how the Sunbane is actually good rather than evil. (I recommended the second Chronicles to Dr. Rossing as she writes her current book on Revelation and ecology!).
So, do you see a role for myth that is not really “true” but is made true by the humans that believe in it? Is this a common focus in your work?
Tom Bracken 306 Birch St Onamia MN 56359 srtrout@yahoo.com
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You raise some interesting issues about how humankind uses--or misuses--it mythologies. Certainly the power of any myth arises from the credence that people give to it, nor from whether or not that myth is actually "true". And I must confess that a related theme seems to be creeping into "Fatal Revenant". But "myth" per se is not a common (or conscious) focus in my work. I'm already too familiar with (not to mention disgusted by) the kinds of distortions you describe. As a storyteller, I'm more interested in the way that knowledge can lead to hope or despair--or both. And in the strange power of "belief" to bring about its own fulfillment (for example, the manner in which the Lords insist on trusting Covenant eventually helps him to become trustworthy). It's pretty obvious that this process (belief bringing about its own fulfillment) *works* in the real world.
(11/01/2006) |
David Shure: This is not really a question but a suggestion for those seeking unabridged audio editions of the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant Unbeliever. It appears that an unabridged edition for the first two trilogies does not exist. I have found that recent text to speech software with one of the "upgraded" voices does a more than adequate job. In a few hours I created an unabridged mp3 of both trilogies for my personal use from the e-books. For copyright reasons I believe that each reader must create their own mp3s, but the process is well worth the learning curve and can make a large range of works accessible. There a number of programs out there - I found Yeosoft Text to MP3 with the Neospeech "Paul" voice simple and it did not mangle the pronunciation too badly except for "Tohrm". I hope this helps - I had looked for a solution for this for several years.
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I'm posting this as a matter of general information. I believe that the Books on Tape program of the Library of Congress includes the "Covenant" books (I could be wrong), but that doesn't make them generally available. Your approach seems rather ingenious--and (if you don't mind my saying so) rather effortful. But then, I don't happen to enjoy listening to books.
btw, you're absolutely right about the copyright issues.
(11/01/2006) |
Walter Langendorf: Drool has red glowing eyes, like lava. Ordinary Cave-Wights don't have eyes like this. Why does Drool have these eyes? Is this part of the sickening brought on by his misuse of the Staff of Law? Is it something he used the Staff to alter, like the moon? Is it a preexisting condition, perhaps part of what allowed him to rise to boss of the Cavewights?
Inquiring minds want to know!
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Ultimately I think we have to blame Lord Foul. It's an effect of the misuse of power--and it does not bode well for Drool's future. <grin>
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Michael from Santa Fe: Are you superstitious? In particular, are you superstitious about anything when it comes to your writing? You mentioned before that you always use the same type of font (more for aesthetic reasons than superstitious ones) and that you like to build a cocoon of sound while writing, but are there other things that your have to have while writing or else you just can't write?
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I don’t have any writing-related superstitions in the common sense of the term. I don’t, for example, have to wear socks of a particular color, or spin my chair three times before starting a sentence. I don’t even need a particular font, or a cocoon of sound: I’m writing now without either of those benefits, and I’ve written fiction on airplanes and in hotel rooms that lack virtually everything I find congenial to creative concentration. But anyone as ADD and OCD as I am is bound to have a broad range of eccentricities. Mine tend to involve the most mundane and even trivial aspects of daily living, like how I choose what clothes to wear on any given day.
(11/06/2006) |
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Mr. Moore: Steve,
I am currently living in Cairo, Egypt as a teacher. The expat community here holds both writer's club and book club meetings once a month. The book club is simple: everyone chooses one book throughout the year for the group to read and then discuss. I have been toying with the notion of choosing a Covenant book. (No one here has heard of you, and they must learn!) My question is this: Do you have any advice as to which one? Of course, it should be either LFB or TWL. The first one I read in the series was TWL, and it proved a fine introduction to this universe. Any thoughts?
Hail, Mr. Moore
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Well, if it were me, I wouldn’t choose a “Covenant” book at all. I’ve always thought that the safest thing to do is pick one of my short story collections: “Daughter of Regals” or “Reave the Just”. That way, people can find out if they like what I do without committing the time and energy to a novel that doesn’t even tell a complete story. Ordinarily I would consider “The Mirror of Her Dreams” a relatively safe choice, but it’s longer than any “Covenant” book.
But if you *must* have a “Covenant” book, indulge me by starting with LFB. You found TWL to be “a fine introduction”: I suspect that many other readers would disagree.
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Joshua Arnold: Two questions for you, Mr. Donaldson, that pertain to the craft of writing. And you have my thanks in advance for any response you can offer.
First, the debate of showing v. telling is an old one (in short: an author should endeavor to show not tell--his/her hand should be as invisible as possible). As an English Major myself, I've had to analyze works in terms of telling and showing. As a writer, I'm forced to examine my own work in similar terms. I'm curious what your thoughts are on the issue.
Second, both Covenant and the Gap are written in what you have called "multiple limited 3rd person POV." This POV is one that appeals to me greatly and I use it in my own work. I wonder, however, how you manage to remain true to the limited POV (i.e. staying completely inside a character's head ) and still provide description and imagery. After all, having a character look at herself in the mirror is a rather cheap way to show the audience what she looks like. Do you, perhaps, "cheat" and step outside of the chracter's head for a moment, show the scene, and then plunge back in?
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Hmm. I’ve never really known what to do with the old “show not tell” dictum. What exactly does it *mean*? After all, we’re talking about storyTELLING: the “telling” is sort of implied by the nature of the process. So I assume that when I tell you what Linden Avery, for example, is saying or doing, I’m “showing,” but when I tell you what she’s thinking or feeling, I’m “telling.” Well, literature offers fine examples of the “show not tell” dictum. Hemmingway leaps to mind, as does Elmore Leonard--not to mention Shakespeare. But then, literature offers many examples of other approaches as well. If “show not tell” were the only valid approach, we would have to get rid of all of Faulkner and James, never mind Dostoevsky and Dickens. In the end, I think, every writer has to find a balance between showing and telling: a balance which a) suits his/her abilities, and b) fits his/her subject matter.
Personally, I try very hard not to “cheat” in my use of “3rd person limited”. But I’m pretty flexible in how I use it. Since my own experience of being alive at any given moment (including this one) involves a wide range of mundane external perceptions and intimate internal reactions pretty much simultaneously--in other words, since nothing about my own experience of being alive takes place “completely inside” my own head--I strive to re-create that experience in storytelling. Which, I hasten to add, is impossible: first, because storytelling is stubbornly linear, one word after another, while in real life a wide range of things can happen all at once; and second, because storytelling imposes disciplines (for example, the necessity of communicating in a way that the reader can understand) which are largely absent from moment-by-moment real life. But within those constraints, I do the best I can. With (very) rare exceptions, I don’t let my readers see anything that my POV character could not have seen, or know anything that my POV character could not have known.
(On the other hand, I do often strive to encourage my readers to feel things which are different than what my POV character feels. But that’s a completely different subject.)
(11/06/2006) |
Guy Andrew Hall: I am sitting here trying to come up with a salutation to start my question and realize that, after having read many of the questions in the gradual interview, I am simply out of my league. So, let me start simply by saying "Hello!" Besides, I have already written twice to the interview, so I figure no need to get all cute. Although, truth be told, I do look good in my black.....
Oops. Sorry, lost my track of thought. It's the ADD. Note to self-refill medication.
Anyway-my question: Is it common for an aspiring, or novice, writer to quail at putting to paper because the story is not yet written in their head?
I ask because after many, many years I have gotten around to writing the first chapter of my novel, and lo and behold! I created a character that was not ever a thought prior to the writing. What's scary-he leapt out at me well defined. And worse-I know he is to die. Is this normal?
<sigh*> Okay, okay. I know. I know. Normal is still under debate. So, strike normal. Is it common?
*Sorry for stealing your shtick.
Well, not really. But anyway.......
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But seriously…. How would *I* know what’s common, or uncommon, or preternatural to the point of freakishness? *I’m* not inside anyone else’s head. I only know what makes other people quail when they tell me; and they only tell me (if they tell me) one at a time. Frankly, I can’t even speak for the people I can see from where I’m sitting. I can really only speak for myself.
However. I’d be willing to bet cash money that it is not UNcommon for writers of every description (aspiring, novice, experienced, professional, awe-inspiring, whatever) to quail at putting birds, er, words on paper. It’s a daunting prospect, writing. But what makes each individual writer quail? Ah, that’s less certain. In my case, it’s the fact that I *do* know the story that strikes terror into my heart. But for other people--I imagine--staring at that first blank page (or screen) is like peering into the bitter eyes of the abyss. And I know at least one writer on whom the ghouls pounce in the *middle* of a story: starting is just fine, fun in fact, thank you very much--but those MIDDLES <shudder>, oh my God.
I would hazard a guess that having a character pop in out of nowhere, fully-formed and doomed (or not), is not at all uncommon. Some of us even *like* the surprises that our unconscious minds spring on us. But more than that I really can’t say.
(11/11/2006) |
John: Steve,
Why do you think epic fantasy stories have become much more complex? One need not look further than the works of Robert Jordan or Steven Erikson. Compare these books (both started on in the 80's) with older works of fantasy, such as Ursula K. Le Guin's "Earthsea" saga, or even your "First Chronicles". By comparison, those eariler works were, in the narrative sense, were much less complex and simple. Don't misunderstand me: I greatly enjoyed both Le Guin's and your works, and I find Erikson's "Malazan" series to be simply fascinating. But now it seems that many new works of fantasy strive for this complexity of story/narrative. Why?
Thanks!
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I can’t speak for anyone else. But here’s what I know. 1) Life is becoming more complex. Or reported perceptions of life are becoming more complex, which amounts to the same thing. Spend ten seconds comparing WWII with the war in Iraq, and you’ll see what I mean. So it seems only natural that fiction would follow life. 2) Whether or not life is becoming more complex, *I* am becoming more complex. An inevitable consequence of the fact that I’m older, I’ve experienced more, I’ve felt more, I’ve seen more, and I’ve refused to stop thinking about it. Everything I look at has more sides than it once did, which may well mean that what I’m looking at has become more complex, but which *certainly* means that I have become more complex. It seems only natural that this would be reflected in my storytelling. 3) Whether or not life (and/or I) has (have?) become more complex (and I sinCEREly hope that the syntax gods aren’t listening), I still have to compete for readers. I have to give my readers reason to believe that I’m offering something they haven’t seen before, or can't get anywhere else. (Which is actually impossible. “There is nothing new under the sun,” etc..) And in this competition, I don’t simply have to compete with my contemporaries: I have to compete with every writer who ever contributed to the foundations of the kind of story I want to write. (OK, OK, every writer I *know about* who ever contributed.) So it seems natural that I would try to, well, put more in.
Of course, we don’t have to work at it very hard to come up with other explanations. Series sell: the longer the series, the more money the writer makes: therefore (some) writers want to stretch out their series(es)(es)(oh, fudge): and there are only a finite number of ways to stretch out a series, adding complexity being one. But if I suspected myself of doing that, I’d--well, never mind. I’d write something else, let’s leave it at that.
(11/11/2006) |
Michael Weinhardt: Once you finish the first draft of the manuscript you send out for edit/review, how much time off do you give yourself ie how much time away from your work do you need before you can come back to it with a fresh mind.
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As a rule, I give myself however long it takes my readers/editors to read. Of course, I need a bit of rest. But rewriting uses different mental muscles that writing does, so I don’t need a *lot* of rest. What I DO need--and it’s vital to me--is something that flips the switch in my head from Creative to Critical. Apparently (brace yourself: understatement coming) I’m not very good at flipping this switch for myself. I’m actually quite good at rewriting--once I’m in Critical mode. But to get into Critical mode, I need a reader--and, ideally, a reader who is willing to say, “What the ***** is *that* supposed to mean?”
(11/11/2006) |
Perry Bell: Hello Stephen, I was wondering about the actual layout of the land itself. I have an old map of the Land, and it shows it doesn't connect with and other body of land, yet the Ramen had "left the land" as the the sunbane was coming. Now, they arent sea-faring people as the giants were, so, did the actually 'leave' the land or did they simply travel beyond the reach of the sunbane hoping not to run out of places where they would be safe? Also, can you please explain why Esmer's power can neutralize Lindens wild magic? Thanks again for everything you do :) Perry Bell
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The Land is a region on a globe in the same way that, say, Greece is region on a globe. The Land happens to be isolated on every side, the sea to the east and rugged mountains everywhere else. But if you go through the mountains, as the Ramen do with the Ranyhyn, you come to other lands. Well, I designed the Land that way for a variety of reasons, one of which was to make it a metaphorical arena. A place where the same issues that confront people everywhere are *concentrated*: a place where--in a manner of speaking--Earthpower flows much closer to the surface of reality. (Hence the name "*the* Land," as if it were the only place that matters.) That's why it's possible to get out from under the Sunbane. Or from under Kevin's Dirt.
I haven't provided maps for any other regions of the globe because they aren't necessary to the story I'm trying to tell.
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Vincent: Why didn't the creator realize that by trapping Foul within the arch of time he was merely exacerbating the problem that Foul's banes would have produced? Was he attempting to protect other future 'projects' from his influence? Or did he believe that by forcing Foul to live amung the 'mortals' he might teach him some measure of compassion for them? What motivates Foul to constantly assail the people of the land? They aren't the cause of his situation and surely his anger would have subsided over time. Did he prompt/goad Kevin into performing the ritual of desecration because he hoped it would bring down the arch, or because he secretly feared that the lords' power would grow to one day rival his own? Now that Covenant is dead, with the law of death being broken, can Foul break the arch, or is he hopelessly trapped because the crux (Covenant) is now nothing more than a tool?
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Gee, and I was SO hoping there wouldn't be any more Creator questions.... <rueful smile>
OK (he said, girding up his loins), let's break this down into Creator questions and LF questions.
Creator questions. You could say that the Creator trapped LF within the Arch by accident. (There's some textual justification for this view.) You could say that the Creator was solving his own "problem of how to deal with evil" by putting the bad guy in prison. (I can't think of any textual evidence, but the interpretation itself is probably defensible.) Or you could say that the Creator was taking a more holistic, even Zen approach to the situation: how can a living organism (the creation) grow if it doesn't have something both to strive for and to strive against? This is an extremely risky way of being a Creator: it requires him to give up on the whole notion of "perfection," and to face the very real prospect of complete failure. But it may conceivably be the most *loving* way of being a Creator.
LF questions. Well, of course, misery loves company. In my experience, people who are in intense, chronic pain usually "punish" the people around them; anyone who happens to be within reach, including innocent bystanders. Such individuals ease the sting of their own pain by feeling empowered when they cause pain in others. But LF also has a better reason for being so nasty. He can't break the Arch of Time himself: only power wielded by other people has the potential to free him from his prison. So the ultimate aim of everything he does is to goad other people into extreme--and extremely destructive--acts of power (like the Ritual of Desecration). And, of course, if the people who are being goaded are in intense pain, they are more likely to exert power destructively. Meanwhile LF remains trapped because a) the Law of Time is the most fundamental--therefore the least easily damaged--of the necessary Laws, and b) Covenant's self-sacrifice (voluntarily becoming an inherent participant in the Arch) has made the Law of Time stronger rather than weaker. (To call Covenant "nothing more than a tool" is to disregard the voluntary nature of his sacrifice.)
I hope that's clear.
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John Blackburn: 1) You mentioned you had comments/suggestions from both U.S. and UK editors on Fatal Revenant. How do you please them both? I'm sure they've got different suggestions, yet the final version will be the same, right? except for spelling changes, aubergine = eggplant etc. Do you find a compromise between the two, and your own ideas for the story.
2) In the UK, your work is getting put into single volumes (one for the first Chronicals, one for the second and one for Mordant's need). This happens for other fantasy writers, eg, I've got Jack Vance's Dying Earth series and Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea. Do you approve of this? It's a bit like box set DVDs but without the extras (could we have some extras? interview with author, pictures of ur-Viles etc, your father's notes on leprosy...?)
3) What was that Raver trying to achieve in Soaring Woodhelven in Lord Foul's Bane? (He arrived and left shortly before Covenant).
Thanks for the great work, I'm sure Fatal Revanant will be a big success because of the momentum building up.
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1) Of course, the editors involved understand the reality of the problem you describe. So they talk to each other. They try to work out their differences. And they usually decide to emphasize different aspects of the book, so that I'll be able to satisfy one without disappointing the other. It's actually quite civilized.
And new, in my experience. Until "The Last Chronicles," my UK editors have simply kept their mouths shut: instead of putting me in an untenable position, they have chosen to accept whatever my US editors accept.
2) I approve of anything that keeps my books in print. Personally, I don't like omnibus editions because they're heavy and the print is small. But that's a trivial concern compared to keeping my books in print. (Keep in mind, however, that the publishers are doing it to save money, so they certainly aren't going to pay for any "extras". The potential profits on books are much smaller than on DVDs.)
3) LF wants to alienate the people of the Land from Covenant (as if Covenant weren't already doing that for himself). The more the people of the Land distrust Covenant, the less likely he is to become the Land's redeemer.
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James DiBenedetto: Dear Steve,
I came across the Wired magazine "six word story" article, and my GI question was going to be to ask you to come up with an entry; but Isaw that you did actually provide one for the article. So: "Don't marry her. Buy a house."?
Can you give us a sequel? Or expand on it just a little bit?
Thank you!
James
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Sadly, there's nothing original about it. There's an old joke that can be paraphrased as: "I used to enjoy getting married because I was in love. But that never worked out. So now whenever I feel the urge to get married, I just find a woman I don't like and buy her a house." Wired magazine asked me for a six word story: they didn't ask me to *think*. <grin>
(11/12/2006) |
Neil Burton: Mr. Donaldson, I hope you're well! Like many people posting to this Q&A it is safe for you to assume that I'm a huge fan and admirer of your work. With that out of the way...
I've wondered on occasion whether authors who write and release a long story one book at a time would, on the whole, prefer not to? If there were no practical exigencies (there's a word I learned from you) for not doing so, would you in fact prefer to commit the whole story to paper before releasing it? Do you think you gain (or lose) anything by releasing it in serial format?
Although I can of course understand and accept that the schedule of the releases is dictated entirely by your needs as the author, I must admit that I'm now feeling a deep sense of dread and longing for the next in the Last Chronicles that is uncomfortably reminiscent of the long, cold nights between books in the Gap series. :)
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As I learned when I was working on the first “Covenant” trilogy, there are some very real advantages to getting the whole story (in that case, three books) written before publication. The most obvious advantage has to do with internal consistency. If you slam into a problem in book three, you have the option of trying to solve it by changing book one. And because there’s so little “lag” between books (you don’t have to go through all the mechanical stages of preparing a manuscript for publication), your creative process itself can be more focused, therefore more consistent. As a result, I’ve often suspected that writing them all before any of them were published might produce better books. In a “pure” world--a world where I didn’t have to worry about either money or publishers--I might have wanted to write the whole of “The Last Chronicles” before releasing any of it.
But of course I do have to worry about money. And publishers do have to worry about what I call “keeping an author’s name alive”: when a decade or more passes between books, readers might be forgiven for forgetting that an author exists. Even as matters stand (a book every three years) my publishers are understandably afraid that readers will simply get tired of waiting. Hence the unfortunate fact that I now get paid less than at any other time in my sf/f writing career.
And then there’s my hunger to be read. I suspect that this is a universal and even congenital issue among writers. Writing is pretty da*n lonely, and being read eases the loneliness. I doubt that I’m a strong enough person to spend 12 years working on “The Last Chronicles” without *some* sort of connection with people who read my work.
(11/13/2006) |
David, Melbourne, Australia: Previously in the GI you have written "I can’t afford to be influenced by the way other people’s minds work. So I visit Kevinswatch.com only rarely, and I stay away from any discussions which pertain to “The Last Chronicles.” Self-protection, really." This was specifically fans theorising about what happens next,etc.
But I'm curious as to whether in the age of 'instant' feedback fan facination with a particular element of a story influences you to increase or even decrease its presence (assuming it doesn't interfere with the story telling). I'm thinking specifically of the Mahdoubt which you have spoken to Danlo about. Does it tempt you add more of the Mahdoubt, or red herrings or even blue ones for that matter?
Thanks for sharing your writing with us.
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So far, I’ve been pretty good at fending off the effects of “instant feedback”. Oh, sometimes the feedback does help make me aware of something that I might have missed; something that can make what I’m working on stronger. I’m human: I’m perfectly capable of doing what I call “dropping stitches.” And I’m grateful for anything that helps me avoid that problem.
But does feedback inspired by “fan fascination” cause me to augment or diminish aspects of the story (a character, perhaps, or even simply an explanation)? I don’t think so. (OK, OK, maybe it *does* cause me to increase or decrease the amount of explanation.) I respond diligently to the feedback that I get from the people who read for me *while* I’m working on a book. The feedback, speculation, enthusiasm, disinterest, etc. that come in after I’m done with a book have no influence *that I’m aware of* on the future of the story.
(11/13/2006) |
Daniel Wolf: Mr. Donaldson. Thankyou for answering my previous letter.
Even before I had heard anything at all about a potential Covenant movie, at the stage where I thought it was a unique idea, thought about only by me, I wondered about an appropriate leading man. My first choice obviously, was my self. Right age, height, build and capable of Wild rage and crippling doubt.
Then I saw the cover to the Cohen Brothers movie "The Man Who Wasn't There". Billy Bob Thorton in black and white with the whole 1950s look. Definately my first choice from that Hollywood bunch.
Question 1. Have you seen this film and/or its video cover. If so what do you think?
Question 2. Could you sleep if somebody took your beloved story and made a CGI monster out of it. I know it would mess with my emotions. You say you don't have the right stuff to be on the set, but who does. Defeat is only real in the past tense. Any one good enough to make this potential movie would know it would be a lot better with your active help.
I hope I haven't over stepped the mark. DAN
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1) No, I haven’t seen “The Man Who Wasn’t There.” And I must confess that I’ve rather lost interest in the whole “Covenant”-film question. I don’t believe it will ever happen. To my way of thinking, that’s a good thing. I suspect that “Covenant”--unlike, say, the GAP books--is essentially un-film-able. But (just my opinion) I certainly wouldn’t cast Billy Bob Thornton as Covenant. “World weary cynicism” seems to be Thornton’s best vein, and that wouldn’t suit my story.
2) Of course, I’ve never been in the situation you describe, so I don’t know how it would affect me. But I like to think that I would experience a brief period of mild disappointment, and then get back to the things that really matter to me. I have no say over whether or not a movie ever gets made; I have no say over whether or not the movie (if it ever gets made) is any good; I have no say over whether or not the movie (if it ever gets made) is both good *and* respectful of my intentions; so what would be the point of taking any of this personally? Meanwhile I suspect that working with the kinds of committees that make movies would drive me completely crackers.
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MRK: Mr. Donaldson, thanks very much for answering my previous question.
Something I've been wondering about for a while was the "Spanish" dialogue in The Man Who Killed His Brother. Most authors, when they are writing in a foreign language, simply write some plain-old English dialogue and then just say that it's spoken in Spanish, Russian, what have you. You handled this very differently (and better), I thought; the Spanish-as-English dialogue in TMWKHB sounded more... I suppose dramatic, or perhaps poetic is the word, than the *actual* English dialogue in the rest of the book. You have said in past GI answers that you are no linguist; how did you arrive at writing the "Spanish" dialogue in this fashion?
thanks again,
MRK
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I’m not sure I had much choice. On the one hand, I really am not a linguist. On the other, that whole “EnglishEnglishColloquialEnglish, he said in Spanish” thing seems like cheating. And on one of the remaining hands, writers who simply give the dialogue in Spanish (or French, or German, or whatever) and don’t translate it vex me. So I tried to think of a way to say things in English so that they would *sound* like Spanish (formal, perhaps, or courtly, rather than exotic).
(11/21/2006) |
Matthew Yenkala: OK, definitely NOT something you've been asked before, or at least in the GI.
In the first volume of the late Jack Chalker's DANCING GODS series ("The River of Dancing Gods"), which tells how a trucker and hitch-hiker make their way to THE "primordial" fantasy world from which all of OUR fantasies derive, there is an offhanded reference to your work.
Specifically, one character (the witch Huspeth) describes her world: "This is a big world, much larger than the one from which thou comest. There are many other continents, and many other lands. One, called simply the Land, is so fouled up no one from thy world will believe it's real, even though he be there." It then goes on to refer to other fantasy worlds by other authors.
(This if from pg. 75 of the 1984 Ballantine paperback edition.)
Obviously there's no question of this being taken seriously as "canon", but I'm sure you were aware of this? And do you think it was meant as an homage or affectionate in-joke/"shout out" to a fellow author in the same field, at the same time, by the same publisher? (Hopefully it was not meant as a dig.)
Just curious!
Matthew Yenkala
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No, actually, I wasn’t aware of it. Chalker certainly never asked my permission (or even my opinion). And although I met him once many years ago, I didn’t really know him; so I can’t speculate about his attitude (homage/in-joke/dig/whatever). However, I’m confident that no harm was intended--and that no harm was done.
(11/21/2006) |
Norrie Sinclair: Dear Mr Donaldson
I came across this heroic endeavour of yours whilst trying to find out which idiot put a synopsis of Fatal Revenant on Amazon.co.uk a year in advance of publication. Given how livid I was on seeing it, I can only imagine how you felt. (I've just realised that I've dropped into the spoiler category with that.)
Anyway, a question: I'd love to know your take on "The art of writing" as opposed to "The craft of writing". (if indeed they do oppose.)
And lastly: You mentioned cliches a while back. My favourite quote is from Terry Pratchett: "Cliches are the adjustable spanner (wrench) in the toolbox of communication."
I have the honour etc.
Norrie Sinclair
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With the understanding that this is Just My Opinion…. It seems to me that you can have “craft” without “art,” but you cannot have “art” without “craft”. Craft involves things like skill, intelligence, training, clarity of intention: things that can be learned (and yes, I do believe that “intelligence” can be learned--although perhaps not directly). Art requires craft because the elements of craft are essential to communication. But it also requires something more. What that “something more” *is* is open to discussion--and it may vary from artist to artist--but I think of it as “imagination” (in the sense of the term described by S. T. Coleridge), or “passion,” or “instinct,” or some blend/synergy/gestalt of the three. (This, by the way, is just another example of that penetrating lucidity which has made me the man I am today. <grin> “Mommy, Mommy, what’s the strange man talking about?” “No one knows, son. No one knows.”)
I enjoyed your quote from Pratchett. But speaking as a man who distrusts his own impulse to rely on cliches, and who lo-o-o-oves his adjustable spanner (any home repair that can’t be accomplished with an adjustable spanner and duct tape isn’t worth doing), I’m not sure I agree.
(11/21/2006) |
Michael from Santa Fe: Just curious about this and if there may be some meaning I'm missing, but why does Linden always refer to Thomas Covenant as "Covenant", his last name? They become lovers and still she never calls him Thomas or Tom (as Joan does). At least I don't recall at any time when she thought of or called him by his first name.
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Hmm. Well, EVeryone--including the author--refers to “Covenant” by his last name (if you don’t count Giants and Lords and such, who prefer titles). There are probably several explanations. One is that I attended a very “old-school” school in India, where we were taught things like Men Must Be Referred To By Last Name, Women By First Name. (You have no idea how difficult it was for me to break this habit for the sake of the GAP books; but I solved it in “Mordant’s Need” by only letting my characters have one name each--with the obvious exception of Terisa Morgan, who is always called Terisa.) But in addition….
Doesn’t the text say somewhere that Covenant doesn’t like being called Tom? (That’s not a detail I can check where I’m sitting at the moment.)
And then, well, I wanted from the beginning to emphasize “Covenant” rather than “Thomas”. Thomas the Doubter is already abundantly present as the Unbeliever. But in the Bible there are two “covenants,” the Covenant of Law and the Covenant of Grace. On both the micro and the macro levels, that aspect of my (on-going) story has always been essential to me. So by the time Linden came along, referring to Covenant as “Covenant” was so deeply embedded in my intentions that I could not have rooted it out if I had wanted to--which I did not.
(11/21/2006) |
Vincent: It is not that I am taking anything away from the voluntary nature of Covenant's sacrifice when I say that to Foul he is little more than a tool. I say that because of the breaking of the law of death and Foul's mastery of the dead Kevin. If Foul were to have raised Covenant in this manner then he would indeed be nothing but a tool, and that was what the final part of Runes with 'Covenant' riding up to the gates of Revelstone led me to think. I felt the need to defend myself on that point because you dismissed my question as irrelevant. Not only that you mocked my entire question and did it in such a way that I looked like a buffoon for even asking it. Let me tell you the truth about the Creator, both yours and mine: He's bored. He's not good or evil. Those are concepts we ascribe to things because of how they effect our lives personaly. He doesn't care. Foul didn't even exist before he created him, and the only reason the creator does anything at all to help combat him is because he wants his creations to love him. He created Foul to be a villain and dumps misery and suffering upon him in abundance so that he will in turn be the bad guy so the people will then turn to him for help. Maybe that doesn't have anything to do with your story, and maybe I am just upset because I am depressed, but you could have just ignored my question rather than mocking it. I idolized you. I'm not a stalker or some kind of psycho, I am just a fan, and an aspiring writer. I haven't included my e-mail address and I don't expect a response. I'll read your books because I enjoy them and anything that takes a little time out of the misery I go through on a daily basis is a boon, but personaly I think you are a jerk.
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I wish I could remember your original question--or my response to it. And I wish that you had included an e-mail address, so I could send you a personal apology. It is not my intent to mock my readers. But sometimes my sense of humor gets a bit carried away. And sometimes I become impatient or vexed. That's not your fault, of course. But it does happen.
Quite frankly, I use myself as a model for the Land's Creator. Since *I'm* not bored, I assume he isn't either.
Please accept my regrets.
(11/23/2006) |
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Kotenku: Mister Donaldson,
You've said it before that you tend to name characters based on whatever sounds good and pops into your head, but I've often wondered just why you happened to go with the name 'Gibbon' for the Raver, considering it also happens to be the name of a species of monkey. Were you aware of it at the time of writing? Was there any logic behind the choice of this name? Just what happened here?!
Thanks, and cheers, Kotenku
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I can't always explain my choices of names. Sometimes they just sound right to me. When that happens, I trust it. I learned long ago that it's a bad idea to censor my subconscious mind. Of course I was aware that "Gibbon" is a kind of monkey. But I'm still happy with the name.
(11/25/2006) |
Todd: Hi Steve,
You recently answered a question about "showing" vs. "telling". Flaubert, I believe, said, "Dramatize, dramatize, dramatize". How does that fit into your beliefs re: writing?
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Of course, I'm no expert on Flaubert, so I'll have to speculate. But at a guess, I'd say that he uses "dramatize" to mean "showing". If I want you to know how a character feels, and I resist the impulse to just tell you, then my only recourse is to reveal (show) how that character feels through action and interaction: drama.
None of this affects my "beliefs" as I've already expressed them. I want my stories to be as dramatic as possible; but since storytelling is, by definition, "telling," I try to make that work for me.
(11/26/2006) |
Michael from Santa Fe: You may not want to answer this, but I don't think it is really a spoiler, more a question of construction: does "Fatal Revenant" end with a cliff-hanger the way "Runes" did? Also, thinking about this some, I don't believe you ended any of the previous Covenant books the way you ended "Runes". I believe you mentioned in a previous question that you had to end it there but it did make for a different feel, at least for me, to how the previous novels have left things when they ended. Oh well, as long as "The Last Dark" is not a cliff-hanger I'll be happy. Can't wait for October!
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You're right: I don't want to answer your question. <grin> And you're right again when you observe that none of the previous "Covenant" books were constructed with cliff-hanger endings. (I did use cliff-hangers in "Mordant's Need." But none of the GAP books end the way "The Runes of the Earth" does.) Let me point out, however, that the construction of "The Second Chronicles" is very different than that of the first trilogy. Different stories require different storytelling methods.
(11/26/2006) |
Captain Maybe: I've just finished watching the third season of 24 (only now because the BBC decided after day 2 that it was too expensive, damn them) and I realised that it reminds me a lot of my favourite series of books - the Gap sequence. It has that same breathless and brutal intensity, the convoluted plot and the reliance on technology; what it doesn't have is the depth of characterisation.
I had a vague recollection that the programme had been mentioned in the GI so I did a search: you said that the actress who played Teri Bauer could just possibly play Morn. Which suggests that you watch the show - do you (still)? What do you think of it and do you see parallels with your own work?
My second question is related, so I'll include it here. I also realised while watching 24 that something that film and TV can do very well is silence, the absence of anything happening, people just standing staring in shock, awe, grief, whatever. Prose can't do this (it seems to me) because there always have to be words on the page carrying the narrative forward. My question: How do you, as a writer, handle silences, pauses, absences of action?
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I do watch “24”. As a student of what I call “long-form storytelling,” I’m interested in almost anything that promises to tell a coherent and interesting story in more than 42 minutes (or more than 242 minutes, for that matter). The problem with “24” is that it seldom delivers what it promises. More often, it conveys the sensation that the writers and directors are scrambling, even floundering, in a desperate attempt to stretch their story beyond its natural limits. The result is more and more implausibility as the episodes go by. (Just my opinion, of course.) Years ago, I followed “Babylon 5” for much the same reason--and gave up on it when I began to believe that the wheels had come off.
Every storytelling medium has its inherent advantages and disadvantages. Visual forms like film and theater are especially good at silences--and gestures--and action of all kinds--and (since these forms usually include sound) voices. (Of course, “silence” can be seen as a sub-set of “sound,” but that’s not really the point here.) Images-with-sound allow the storyteller to communicate several messages simultaneously. They are not so good at managing emotional complexites--or at enlisting the imagination(s) of the audience.
It’s probably pretty obvious that I handle “silences, pauses, absences of action” by using those opportunities to delve into the hidden depths of my characters.
(11/27/2006) |
Peter "Creator" Purcell: We have been debating the change in your approach for evoking emotions from the earlier Covenant series to RUNES. However, rather than speculate I thought we could just ask you! Compare the followin from "The Wounded Land"....
Suddenly, Covenant's eyes were full of tears. They blinded him; he could not blink away visions of Saltheart Foamfollower- Foamfollower, whose laughter and pure heart had done more to defeat Lord Foul and heal the Land than any other power, despite the fact that his people had been butchered to the last child by a Giant-Raver wielding a fragment of the Illearth Stone, thus fulfilling the unconscious prophecy of their home in Seareach, which they had named Coercri, The Grieve.
All killed, all the Unhomed. They sprang from a sea-faring race, and in their wandering they had lost their way back to their people. Therefore they had made a new place for themselves in Seareach where they had lived for centuries, until three of their proud sons had been made into Giant-Ravers, servants of the Despiser. Then they had let themselves be slain, rather than perpetuate a people who could become the thing they hated.
Covenant wept for them, for the loss of so much love and fealty. He wept for Foamfollower, whose death had been gallant beyond any hope of emulation. He wept because the Giant standing before him now could not be one of the Unhomed, not one of the people he had learned to treasure. And because, in spite of everything, there were still Giants in the world. He did not know that he had cried aloud until Hollian touched him. "Ur-Lord. What pains you?"
"Giant!" he cried. "Don't you know me?" Stumbling, he went past Linden to the towering figure. "I'm Thomas Covenant."
"Thomas Covenant." The Giant spoke like the murmuring of a mountain. With gentle courtesy, as if he were moved by the sight of Covenant's tears, he bowed. "The giving of your name honors me. I take you as a friend, though it is strange to meet friends in this fell place. I am Grimmand Honninscrave." His eyes searched Covenant. "But I am disturbed at your knowledge. It appears that you have known Giants, Giants who did not return to give their tale to their people."
With Linden's receipt of Stave's profession of loyalty (arguably emotionally impactful) from "Runes" ....
Escorted by her friends, she approached Stave and bowed deeply, hoping that he would recognize the scale of her gratitude. However, the bow which he reurned to her resembled a farewell more than an acknowledgement. His manner conveyed the impression that for her sake he had turned his back on more things than she could understand.
She wanted to ask him how the Masters would respond to his profession of faith; but her throat was full of other words which demanded utterance.
Meeting his single gaze, she said with he whole heart, 'Thank you. I owe you more than I can ever repay.
'You've already done so much for me. You've been true ---' Her voice broke momentarily. 'I can't even begin to describe how glad I am ---'
Your earlier writing approach (I am NOT a writer) seems to directly connect the reader to the emotions being evoked. TWL and the Giants impact me more deeply than RUNES emotionally.
That doesn't mean I didn't think "Runes" was great - I did. But the writing seemed more designed to present the 'action' or 'discourse' and let the readers emotion flow thru (or not), whereas earlier writing seemed designed to pull emotion out. (Very effectively I might add!)
Is that a stylistic choice? An evolution of your writing style? Or simply my personal reaction to two different pieces not related to either of the above?
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Tough question. (Bad dog. No bisquit.) And here I thought this was supposed to be easy…. <rueful smile>
In response, I want to pull my Don Quixote trick: get up on my horse and ride off on all directions. For instance, I want to observe that you are comparing unlike situations. (Almost by definition, Covenant’s first encounter with a Giant--after he thought that all of the Giants had been slaughtered, and Foamfollower died saving his life as well as the Land’s--carries more of an emotional “charge” than Linden’s validation by Stave.) And unlike characters. (The Giants have a very different emotional valence in these stories than the Haruchai do. And Covenant in the passage you quote has become a much more open--or less clenched--person than Linden is at the end of “Runes”.) Also I want to point out--mainly in self-defense <grin>--that much of what you quote from TWL is exactly the sort of prose my present editors would beg me to cut. (E.g. the passage you quote retells a big chunk of Giant history; and my editors would protest, “But you’ve already told us that several times before.”) And then there’s the whole “show v tell” issue we’ve been discussing.
But in addition to all that--well, the truth is that my writing *is* changing. Can’t be helped. I’ve made a very conscious effort to preserve the style of the first six “Chronicles”. But I’m simply not the same person--or the same writer--who produced those books. I have strengths now that I lacked then--and I’ve lost strengths that I had then. No matter what I do, I can’t erase the effects (positive and negative) of the past 20+ years (not to mention the past 12+ books). And fighting against this fact can only paralyse me.
So I suspect that what we’re dealing with here is evolution (or devolution, depending on your point of view <grin>) rather than stylistic choice. But my point of view is too subjective: in a sense, I’m less qualified than you are to comment on such things.
(11/27/2006) |
Garrett Pyke: One of the many things I enjoy about the Land is that good and evil are so well defined. Perhaps that is why it is such a wonderful escape from reality. But I find it especially interesting that you write evil so well---it is chilling, sometimes gruesome, potent and terribly real. In fact, I don't think I am a skilled enough writer to string together enough well-chosen adjectives or comparisions to approach describing how *evil* your depections of evil truly are. And the idea of the Despiser, an omniscient (or somewhat so) being who instead of a Christian God who loves us, despises us, builds my case. Do you think past experience inspires you to write evil so well, or is it something else? Also, why would you name the Ravers after stages of enlightenment (assuming evil does not equal enlightenment)?
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Approaching this in reverse order:
Earlier in the GI, I’ve discussed the names of the Ravers. Put simply, the “human” names (Sheol, Herem, Jehannum) express how other people think of the Ravers. The Ravers’ “personal” names (moksha, turiya, samadhi) express how they think of themselves.
There are many ways in which I can’t account for my abilities as a writer. The process by which I learned or developed them is too subjective (not to mention unconscious) for me to explain. But I do have a LOT of experience with evil that thinks of itself as good--which translates pretty easily to Evil that thinks of itself as Good.
(11/30/2006) |
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