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GRADUAL INTERVIEW (May 2009)
Tom Best: Hello, Mr. Donaldson, I was wondering if you could elaborate on the following statements you made concerning fiction and non-fiction: "I could actually say quite a bit about this, mostly having to do with my belief that fiction (storytelling) is a richer source of ideas and understanding than any non-fiction." and "I read almost exclusively fiction, in part because that's what I love to read, in part because I feel loyal to the kind of work I'm committed to, and in part because I believe you can learn more from a good story than from almost any form of non-fiction." I've tried to argue the same point with my father and some friends of mine -- they think fiction is a waste of time, a bunch of "made up stuff" -- but, sadly, I'm not very articulate in defending my position. I say things like, "Fiction is the truth inside the lie," or I try to explain how you can live vicariously through the characters in fiction, thereby gaining a new perspective about the world, or about different ways of life. For instance, if the main character is homosexual, or a slave, or a president, or an alcoholic, or a leper, or whatever -- once you see the world through their eyes, it can open your mind to new possibilities, make you more empathetic to your fellow man. Sometimes I'll pull this little nugget out of my memory (from Clive Barker's Sacrament): "I am a man, and men are animals who tell stories. This is a gift from God, who spoke our species into being, but left the end of our story untold. That mystery is troubling to us. How could it be otherwise? Without the final part, we think, how are we to make sense of all that went before: which is to say, our lives? So we make stories of our own, in fevered and envious imitation of our Maker, hoping that we'll tell, by chance, what God left untold. And finishing our tale, come to understand why we were born." I find it quite profound myself (stories are a way to understand ourselves), but it doesn't go over well with the people I'm trying to convince -- too poetic and philosophical probably. Anyway, I would appreciate any of your thoughts on the subject. Regards, Tom
MRK: To my delight, I recently turned up (and just finished reading) a "Reed Stephens" edition of "The Man who Tried to Get Away". Definitely one of the best things you have ever written. I was wondering if you have read and/or were influenced by Charlotte Bronte's "Jane Eyre". I saw some similarities in language and theme (i.e., overcoming great social adversity). Also of course Mr. Rochester's grudging but dedicated caring for his violently insane wife. My other, "big" question came into my mind when I read that the major stumbling block for the creation of the Covenant movie was the Ring rather than the rape of Lena. It occured to me that no, that (the rape) really wasn't that hard to get around, you'd just have to re-write it as a consentual sex scene, which I thought wouldn't be terribly out of character for Lena, her being potentially an enamored Berek groupie, but it would be VASTLY out of character for Covenant. He would have to be a far more self-confident person who would feel entitled to take advantage of the situation. In other words, he would feel like he deserved what he was getting, that the Land was indeed REAL. And of course this is only one way in which the story would be completely altered. Do you think that this would probably be the Hollywood solution and how profound do you think would be the impact on the story and on Lena and Covenant's respective characters?
Basch: SRD - Hope all is well for you. I was curious about your thoughts on the Kindle, or other ebook readers. As an author do you see this as something to be excited about, concerned about or just generally indifferent as it doesn't impact on your writing? Thanks for your time on the Gradual Interview. It's great stuff.
Steven H: Thank you for your amazing writings. I am a huge fan of the TC Chronicles, the Gap cycle, Mordant's Need and your short stories. I have not read all of your works, but everything I have read has been tremendous and completely absorbs me. I just finished LFB and I have two comments/questions about the ending. 1) I felt as if the ending was very rushed, so much so that I feel it was done with intent. Was it indeed your intent to return Covenant back to his leprous life so abruptly? 2) Covenant makes the comment deep in Mount Thunder that he forgot to bring his 'earthly' clothes with him on the trip. He is very discouraged by this since when he 'wakes up' he will know that it had all been a dream since he will be wearing his jeans/boots/etc. In the land at that time he was wearing the robe the lords gave him that had since been stained by traveling through Morinmoss. These green stains on his robe are mentioned many times as if you intended us to take specific note of them. Upon returning to 'his' world we find Covenant in the hospital dressed in the standard issue gown. This of course plays back to TC's comment about forgetting his clothes and assuming that will enforce the idea that it had all been a dream. My question is did you intend specifically for us, and TC, to take this as an ambiguous token that the experience maybe wasn't a dream (I feel that is the case) and would it have gone too far to have let the hospital gown have some sort of fancy printed design that resembled the stains from Morinmoss? This kind of goes along with my first question as the ending was so abrupt, and TC has nothing to offer as far as any thoughts referring back to his previous thoughts under Mount Thunder. I felt that you intended for us to make some assumptions for ourselves instead of you dictating them in the narrative, but I am a little baffled since this is so obviously a blow to his unbelief, which is a central theme of the story. Thank you for your time and for sharing your creations with us!! Steven H
Johann de Wet: Hi Stephen! I have noticed that you have the tendency to end nearly all you intermediate books as cliff-hangers. Is this just a commercial trick, or is it a sacred narrative tradition that all writers have to adhere to? Or do you have a deeply hidden sadistic streak that just like to make your fans suffer while they eagerly wait for the next book in the series? Cheers! Johann (South Africa)
Phill Skelton: On the subject of Orson Scott Card and characterisation in Fansasy/sci-fi, you wrote: "That’s theory. In practice, I’ve read plenty of books--historicals and westerns as well as sf and fantasy--that place setting above character; and each and every one of them was junk. I’ve also read plenty of books--thrillers and mysteries as well as sf and fantasy--that place events above character; and each and every one of *them* was junk (although it is true that activity is usually more interesting to watch than scenery). Think I’m wrong? Show me." I guess it is a question of at what point you consider setting (or whatever) to be 'above' character. As far as I understand OSC's point, he is saying that SF/fantasy books often take the world they are in as the foundation of the story, and the characters are there to interact with the world for the benefit of the reader. Lord of the Rings wasn't born out of the characters of Frodo and Sam, with the plot developing out from there. LotR is one of the examples OSC has quotes elsewhere on this subject, noting that many of the characters are little more than stereotypes - token dwarf, token elf, interchangeable token hobits, Aragorn gets to be noble (and little else), and so on. Of course there *is* more to the characters than that, and without at least some welld eveloped characters a story *will* be junk. The contrast is with, for example, Milan Kundera, whose stories (that I've read) are about pretty much nothing *but* the characters. Or Jospeh Conrad: what he was interested in was the personality interacting with the events, but the focus was still on the person. I don't think you could say LotR was about characters in the same way that Conrad's "The Secret Agent" or "Nostromo" are. It is much more about its setting - the world of Middle Earth - than those books, and much less about the personalities, as important as those are (you may disagree of course). Whether you would say it is *more* about setting than character may be a matter of personal taste about use of language. I think it goes without saying that the Covenant books (and pretty all your stories in fact, one or two short ones excepted maybe) are much more Conrad-esque in their interest in the character than the vast majority of SF/fantasy.
spoonchicken: Dear Dr.Donaldson......PLEASE tell me, that you DON'T go to kevinswatch.com & read some of the sillier stuff posted in there (epsecially by me!)
Charles Adams: I apologize if this is a question you have already answered (I don't even know how I would query for this particular question and answer). As you have stated many times, you envision an end, and then you work backwards from that end to tell the story. When you wrote SCOTC, were you writing to the end of that story, or writing to the eventual end of the Last Chronicles? Or some hybrid?
Tom: Just wondering if you seen this website. This one has a 3D computer rendering of a cavewight and an ur-vile: http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?p=508831 I was wondering if they come close to what you picture in your head. The ur-vile in particular is very close to what I picture (although the one on the website isn't painted yet). Anyway, it's amazing what people can do with computers these days! Tom
Peter B: Hi Steve-- I ran across one of your responses to a July 2004 GI question concerning who the Creator is and was amazed at what you appear to be disclosing. Here's your quote: Having rid ourselves of those assumptions, we can then consider the possibility that the Land's "Creator" is Covenant himself (an act of imagination which he later shares with Linden); that--in a manner of speaking--both the "Creator" and the man in the ochre robe are Covenant's dopplegangers, externalized versions of aspects of himself. Was this an attempt at crafty misdirection or should we take the clarification at face value? My guess (hope) is that the integrity of the Chronicles and ending remain. Many, many congratulations on finishing the first draft of AATE!
Joe: Mr Donaldson, firstly I would like to thank you for creating Covenant, Giants, Lords, Bloodgaurd, the Land, ALL of it! I first read Lord Fouls Bane in 1986, have read Chronicals 1&2 at least 4 times in the last 20 years and just spent the last 6 months reading all 8. You definately deserve to be spoken of in the same breath as the likes of Tolkien and others. The depth and detail to every aspect of the stories, not just the central characters and primary locales, transends personal and spiritual levels. If I did not know better I would say you lived it. I wish I could. Sorry, to my question, you have said that your finished 1st draft of Runes was 1052 pages long! Revenant 1209! And now 1179 for Against All Things Ending! Has that been true of all the other books of Chronicals 1 & 2? Would it ever be possible to read any of your unrevised Covenant works? What am I missing from those 500 or so weeded out pages? Thank you again for sharing wonderful imagination and amazing talents with me.
Steve C: Stephen, Just another one of your long time fans for decades and decades: My questions are about the Harauchi. Obviously their senses and their defenses are superior to many peoples since they are not affected by Kevin's Dirt. Also throughout the Chronicles we've seen their ability to discern more than others. To what extent can they assess or diagnoss the forces and banes affecting the Land? Linden was informed that the Demondim were using a Fall to gain access to the Illearth Stone thousands of years in the past. Discerning the Fall and the mechanism in which the Demondim wield their power seems like quite a feat. How far does their discernment go? We learn of the source of Kevin's Dirt from Esmer, but since the Haruchai remain unaffected, do they understand the nature of Kevin's Dirt? How and why it affects other people's of the land? Although understanding causality doesn't necessarily translate into a solution, it certain goes a long way! Next question is about the Haruchai's sharing of minds. Stave has developed a way to silence his thoughts. In all of Haruchai society, does this set a precident? Is all that Handir thinks always always shared with the Haruchai hive? To what extent do the Master's regularly communicate with the Haruchai of their home? Perhaps these last questions are outside the scope of your story... But since I wonder if there is more going on with the Haruchai than just the keeping of secrets, I muse on these issues... Having enjoyed your books over the decades, I've always felt the Bloodguard and Haruchai have unrequieted as well as self-imposed grief. Passion, it seems, can come in many forms. I am glad that you have been delving deeper into their culture and shared psyche. I suspect that there is a lot more to come about the inner workings of the Haruachi and that their long-standing and unresolved issues will be central to the remainder of the books...I eagerly await your next installment. And then the next...and then your next after Covenant. Just keep on writing! Thank you, Steve
Terry Hornsby: You've written a fantasy epic, a science fiction epic and a detective/crime trilogy. Do you feel any particular allegiance or preference to any genre? What I mean is, do you think, "I'm going to write fantasy. Now, here's the plot." or is it more "I've got a great idea that just happens to be fantasy"? Finally, what's next? A western? A romance? A horror?
Dale Cebula: Just a very silly question for you here: I recall that Covenant is a successful writer in the first book (although he learned to hate his earlier work) and with his success was able to live a fairly comfortable life and purchased Haven Farm. Now that you are (or rather have been for a while now) a fairly successful writer, do you think that maybe you overstated the income that Covenant earned from his first book? Do you think that maybe you overstated the material benefits that he gained from a best seller? Can hardly wait for the next one!
cwmallard: Just a comment regarding Amazons "Kindle". I only found one Kindle discussion on this site. I want to push the corporate publishers more to release the 1st and 2nd chronicles--in fact all of Stephens work-- in an E-format. I don't care for an audio format and the publishers can opt out of the text to speech option on the Kindle. Beg,plead,beg,plead. Release Kindle versions of Stephens work. !!!
David Marcum: Dear Mr. Donaldson, I’ve wanted to write to you for a long time, but I didn’t have a question that hadn’t already been asked. I finally thought of something, and I couldn’t find if anyone has asked this before. My question requires something of an explanation... I am a Civil Engineer specializing in water/sewer/infrastructure projects. A few weeks ago, I was at a job site in a small rural town, and we needed to locate some water lines in a site where we were going to be digging. The town’s public works director showed up to help us find the lines. I thought he’d have blueprints, or maybe a metal detector. Instead, he pulled out two bent coat hanger pieces and started dowsing. In a minute, he was joined by another town employee and one of the construction workers. They walked up and down the field, muttering and painting marks on the ground at various points. Oddly, every place they marked corresponded to a buried water line. Of course, I’ve heard of dowsing, but hadn’t seen it in person. I asked the head contractor about it. He didn’t know what I meant for a minute, and then he said, “Oh! You mean ‘witcthing the water.’” He then went on to say that it was common practice. I later talked with my boss and an old professor, and they both said it was a more common practice than I had known, and often the only thing that would work. I personally believe that the world is much more complicated and amazing than humans can understand, and that there is a lot going on around us we’ll never know. (Kind of like an ant trying to comprehend the internet.) I keep an open mind, and I even got a white gold wedding ring when I got married 20+ years ago...just in case I get hit on the head and need it somewhere else. But I have a hard time with the idea of dowsing – There just doesn’t seem to be a reason it would work. That day I was in the small town felt like I had wandered into a village somewhere that was using magic – or earthpower – just because no one had told them that they couldn’t. So my question (after this long explanation) is...How do you feel about something like this in the real world? Do you believe that there actually is some sort of power (magic? earthpower?) around us now for those who can access it, or do you think what I saw was just some quaint superstition and magic is just something you write about? Thanks again for everything that you have done, and I – along with all the others – can’t wait to see what’s going to happen next. David Marcum Maryville, TN
Jeff: In a recent GI response, you said "the single most rewritten facet of my first drafts is always the dialogue". This made me wonder what your thoughts are on plays/theater as literature? Do you ever go to see plays? Are there any plays/playwrights you particularly admire? [feel free to ignore the obligatory nod to "The Bard"...unless you have some unexpected/unusual insight?] For what it's worth, I find reading scripts unsatisfactory or incomplete...I don't fully appreciate the work till I see it "on its feet."
Mark in Japan: Hi Stephen, I just read some comments on Patrick Rothfuss's blog that I thought you'd appreciate. It concerns the interactions between popular authors (like yourself) and their fans in these days of blogs and e-mail, especially fans who can't wait for the next book. You can see it here: http://www.patrickrothfuss.com/blog/2009/02/concerning-release-of-book-two.html Wishing you good health and good fortune!
Stewart Brewer: Hello Mr. Donaldson. My question relates to your use of the term "Elohim." Given the meaning of this term in Jewish and Islamic texts, how/why did you select this term for use in your Covenant Chronicles books? Also, were/are you aware of the Mormon belief that "Elohim" is the name of God, rather than "Jehovah"? Just curious. Thank you.
Michael: Stephen: A casual re-read of the my favorite parts of Fatal Revenant has led, as such activities usually do, to a re-read of the Second Chronicles. I'm deep in The One Tree, and this question came to mind. Honninscrave talks about the 100 of the Lost/Unhomed who chose to stay with the Elohim, only to never be seen or heard from again. When the quest approaches the Elohimfest, they come to a mound encircled by a ring of bare, seemingly dead trees. My question: is there some connection between those trees and the giants who remained? I have no rational or defensible reason for thinking this, but somehow I always suspected those trees *were* those giants. As always, thank you so much for sharing your gift and stories. They are truly old friends who never stop giving familiar and new joys.
Michael from Santa Fe: I think it's time we started a serious, sentence by sentence breakdown of the Chronicles. So, to begin: Lord Foul's Bane, Chapter 1: Golden Boy, First Sentence: "She came out of the store just in time to see her young son playing on the sidewalk directly in the path of the gray, gaunt man who strode down the center of the walk like a mechanical derelict." Hmmm...interesting beginning. The one item that has puzzled me about this is the use of the word "gray" (although I remember the "mechanical derelict" really puzzling me when I was younger - now I understand since I'm older and most mornings I wake feeling like a mechanical derelict myself). What does "gray" refer to? Covenent seems a little young to have gray hair. His clothing? His temperment? His eyes, which I believe are described as being "gray"? Can you shed any light on your use of the word "gray" to describe Covenant at this critical first sentence jucture? Next month - Sentence Two! Just kidding...:-)
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