GRADUAL INTERVIEW (March 2005)
Denis Delworth: After years of shouting about the number of books you have sold in europe, how can you justify the paucity of personal appearances over here? It's wonderful for us over here to sit and read about these Fests where you and your fans turn out for a celebration for what you have done.
When are we in Europe going to get some proportionate response to the books we buy?
Or are you going to submit to the steriotypical belief that nobody outside the Dollar dictatorship matters?
Still a fan, but so disappointed.
D Delworth.
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*Who* has been "shouting about the number of books [I] have sold in Europe"? Not I.
Who makes decisions about where and why authors do public appearances? Not I.
Who believes that the policies and parochialism of US publishing companies (the "Dollar dictatorship") sheds any light at all on the personal beliefs and desires of individual authors? Not I.
I can't say that I understand your disappointment. If William Shakespeare were doing a signing across the street from me right now, I probably wouldn't go. Wouldn't want to stand in line. And it's the work that interests me, not the person. But still: don't you think it might be a bit churlish to blame *me* for your disappointment?
(03/06/2005) |
Anonymous: Hi Stephen, I wrote a post recently in which I gave my name and address and subsequently discovered that postings are posted,so just to request that it not be posted please?.Having read some of the postings I will submit a question to you soon.Thank you from Frank
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If you don't want any of your personal information revealed in the postings on this site, please say so when you submit a question. I mean well, honest I do; but I can't pretend that I'll remember your specific request later on.
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smith: i've read answers to your previous questions regarding audiobooks of your previous works, and i had found a recording (online) of lord foul's bane read by teri hays sayles (sp) that sounds quite professional. Was this recorded without your permission?
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Please send details! I was totally unaware of this recording. My actual "permission" is irrelevant: the rights are held by Ballantine Books, not by me. This could be a significant (and very labor-intensive) case of copyright infringement. Or it could be fully authorized by Ballantine, who just didn't bother to let me know.
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Mark Morgon-Shaw: Not so much a question......I read that you enjoy parody so last night started work on Chapter 1 of ' The Adventures of Briny the Pirate '. In the the first chapter Briny forgets where his boat is moored after a night of competetive drinking with Thomas the Incredulous, who cannot believe he too has lost something,his mobile phone memory has been erased. Their quest to rediscover the One Ring-tone takes them on many adventures, past the world's oldest French speaking mountain tree 'The L'arch of Time' , through a Swiss shopping centre where they purchase 'Kevin's Swatch', and finally visiting Europe's worst public toilet - 'Lord Fouls Salles du Bain'
I feel the story will be about nine chapters long and ask that you finish them for me as I have no actual writing talent at all. ;)
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But you've already demonstrated more talent for parody than *I* have, so you're on your own. <grin?
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thinbuddha: Why the book tour? I was at an event in a major US city- there were only about 30 people there. Surely that can't generate enough sales to make the tour worthwile for your publisher(or you)?
Were there other (non-public) industry events tied to the tour such as interviews, meetings with other authors..... whatever...?
I loved getting a chance to meet you- and so much the beter that there wasn't a lot of people demanding your time (made it easier for me to get a couple of words in to one of my favorite authors) but the whole thing just strikes me as a bit odd.
Were your publishers disappointed that more people didn't show up? Where were all your fans?!? Were your tours always so quiet? Somehow, I really expected to fight with a hoard of fantasy/sci-fi fans for good seats.... But they just didn't show.
-tb
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That's been my experience with US book tours generally. I've never understood why my publishers want to spend the money on them. Almost without exception, they're poorly promoted and mechanical; and there is no media interest whatsoever. (The one consistent exception is Mysterious Galaxy in San Diego.) Things were very different back when I did my first US tour, for "The Wounded Land" in 1980.
But compared to the other US tours I've done in the past 20+ years, the "Runes" tour was a huge success. When I was on the road for "The Man Who Fought Alone," I often found myself speaking to audiences of 2 or 3 people, and sometimes signed as many as 8 books.
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Mark: Sir, May I add my small voice to the great choir singing your praises, giving thanks for your gifts? *I don't know if this will qualify as a spoiler* As I was filling in a crossword puzzle yesterday, one of the answers in the grid was the word "anele". (I didn't actually know the word, in the context, but was able to fill it out by completing all of the perpendicular words.) I then looked in my dictionary, and could not find "anele". It was that kind of a crossword puzzle. After some searching, found that "anele" is an archaic word for anointing, administering oil, giving a blessing or the "Last Rites." Did you intend to name your character with this in mind? I know that you have said previously that you collect words from your own reading, so I was intrigued by this possible connection. If you did intend the name to echo the action, I must now ponder the ramifications of this discovery. Peace.
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Yes, I chose the name "Anele" consciously because of the word's meaning. And yes, the conclusions that might be drawn about Anele from the literal meaning of his name are also intentional. People are "anointed" (chosen) for many reasons, few of them kindly.
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Doug Davey: Hi Stephen This is the first time I have ever sent in a question to someone like yourself. Your Thomas Covenant books inspired me to write my own fantasy book that I would like to have edited and printed.(mainly for friends and family) The characters are great but my writing style is to action oriented and to the point, like most movies nowadays. I was wondering if you could recommend a company or person I could contact to have this done. The story is only about two hundred pages. I am looking forward to picking up the latest series. Thanks for your time. DD
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Sorry. I know essentially nothing about self-publishing--except that it seldom accomplishes anything except, perhaps, ego gratification. The biggest obstacles to "success" (as we usually understand the word) are money and distribution. But there are exceptions. Books like "The Literary Marketplace" and magazines intended for writers should offer more information.
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Todd Burger: Hi,
Thanks again for this forum. Please bear with a bit of explanation before I get to my questions.
You've referenced an idea shelf - that may be a rough paraphrase. I have one myself. At the top of it is my adult fantasy, which I've been tinkering with for years, but haven't written (aside from volumes of character sketches, scene constructions, morality questions, "thesis papers" on themes, back-history narratives, a solid construction of the ending [of course], etc.) because at this point in my life, neither my mind nor my writing is ripe enough to do a good job with it. If I can't do a good job with it, I won't write it.
On the shelf below it, is a young adult fantasy series. I wrote half of the first book, am happy with the writing, but when reality sunk in regarding the publishing industry, I dusted off an idea for a single book (mature children's fantasy/horror), and am writing that. With this single book, I intend to go the way Mark Jeffrey did with his young adult series: self-publish, and then market the daylights out of it and hope to catch the eye of a publishing house. I didn’t want to self-publish one book with three or four to follow. So my first question is, what are your feelings on self-publishing? Mark and I have had a few conversations about this, but I was wondering what your thoughts were.
My second question goes back to your idea shelf. I believe I remember seeing in the gradual interview that you did not have anything on your shelf but Covenant, so rather than asking if you have ideas on your shelf (maybe you do, but you won’t tell us?) I’m wondering if you could *conceive* of writing another fantasy series? (Obviously, one that is neither The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant or Mordant’s Need.)
Thanks as always for your time.
Todd
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I've just written an answer that contains everything I know about self-publishing; so I'll confine myself to your second question.
Almost anything is "conceivable." And I certainly don't have a crystal ball. Nor do I intend to give up writing--or living--after I complete "The Last Chronicles." I simply have no idea what the future holds. HowEVer, my working hypothesis has been that no new concrete ideas have appeared on my "story shelf" for a number of years now *because* "The Last Chronicles" got tired of waiting for me to get around to it; so it blocked off the shelf to force me to pay attention. If this hypothesis is accurate, then writing "The Last Chronicles" should free up the shelf to hold new ideas.
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Travis Foss: Mr. Donaldson, I just finished Runes of the Earth and wanted to let you know I thought it was amazing. Easialy as good as the first series. I look forward to reading the next three books.
When can we expect to see the next book come out?
Thanks.
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Until my webmaster and I get around to creating a FAQ, I guess I'll keep answering this question.
My contract allows me 36 months per book for "The Last Chronicles." I *hope* I won't need that much time; but I can promise nothing. "News," when there is any, appears promptly elsewhere on this site.
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Michael From Santa Fe: You have stated in the answers to several questions that writing the "Last Chronicles" was going to be difficult, for a number of reasons. My question is: what book or books, if any, have been the easiest, or least difficult, for you to write and why?
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I think I can say with some confidence that the first "Covenant" trilogy was the least difficult for me to write. Why? Well, partly because I didn't know any better. <grin> Partly because there were absolutely no expectations (no publisher, no editor, no readers--and no reason to believe that such things would ever exist in my life). And partly because I had never written fantasy before, so I didn't know what my true talents were; and the sense of self-discovery as I got deeper and deeper into the story was enormously exciting.
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Michael Rowlands: Mr. Donaldson, It seems everytime I read TC's confrontation with Lord Foul in Foul's Creche I am reminded of Dr Who's (Tom Baker) confrontation with Sutekh in Pyramids of Mars (I'm not suggesting that you borrowed from it at all). I was wondering, and excuse me if this is a silly question, if you could (and were able to) cast (for a film) a voice for the Despiser would you cast Gabriel Wolfe?
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Can I assume that Gabriel Wolfe played Sutekh? I remember the episode well (although I first saw it a number of years after writing "The Second Chronicles"), but I don't remember the voice; and I never knew who played any characters other than the Doctor and his companions. Oh, and the Master, of course.
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Sergio D. Caplan: First off, "thank you". Couldn't be avoided. I must say thanks, because I always re-read these stories when things are goign especially tough for me. I always found Covenant to be someone to look up to when despair has me in it's grips. It's always at these times when I say to myself, like Covenant, ride out the bad dream.
Anyway here is my question. In the second trilogy, did the Haruchi re-enact their vow? Did they sleep? I don't recall if I ever got that answer in the second trilogy. And I just have to know!
Now I must quickly re-read the first two trilogies, so I can start the third...21 years from White Gold Wielder to Runes of the Earth, that's not a long wait, is it?
Sergio
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No, the Haruchai did not re-enact their Vow. Nor have they done anything similar in "The Last Chronicles." They're just so ^#$%# stoical that they do all their sleeping off-stage. <grin>
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Jason Avant: First, a simple thanks for "The Runes of The Earth".
A comment, and then a question. What draws me to the Covenant novels are the characters, particularly Covenant and Linden. I'd enjoy reading about them and knowing them even if their adventures consisted of visiting an aluminum siding sales convention; they're perhaps the only characters I've read in the genre that come across as real people. It seems to me that the vast majority of fantasy writers place their emphasis on the realms they create, rather than the folks who inhabit (or gate-crash from our world) those realms. I'm curious - did the Land come first for you, or did Covenant, and later on, Linden?
Thanks, and looking forward to reading more of your work!
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Covenant definitely came first. In fact, as I think I've explained elsewhere, discovering the character of Covenant *enabled* me to discover the Land. In my storytelling, anyway, the "world" is pretty much always an extension of the characters.
Linden was a far more difficult discovery, since both Covenant and the Land already existed. But eventually Covenant and the Land gave her to me.
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Drew B: Mr Donaldson, Over the years, has writing the various Chronicles led you to particular insights about yourself? Or have personal insights led to breakthroughs as a writer? thanks! Drew
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For a writer like myself, there is a constant synergy between what I write and what I know about myself. Unfortunately--or fortunately, depending on your point of view--this isn't necessarily a conscious process. And those aspects of the process that *are* conscious are probably too personal to discuss in a public forum (and in any case they would take *hours* to explain). But I'll say this much. Sometimes my imagination--and my characters--seem to run pretty far ahead of me. I've spent a significant portion of my life playing catch-up. <rueful smile> As a result, much of what I know about life (especially as it pertains to personal integrity) I learned from writing these specific stories about these particular characters.
On the other hand, I'm not exactly a "breakthrough" kind of guy. I do pretty much everything in life the same way I write: very slowly, in small increments, with lots and lots of revision. The difference is that I frequently experience epiphanies, sudden flashes of insight, in writing, but seldom in life. In life I generally grind it out the hard way.
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Jay Shapiro: I can't thank you enough for your books and for this interview. I have read and reread everything you have written, and enjoyed them all very much. After finishing RUNES, I bought and am listening to the audio version, and I am truly enjoying it as well. I hope enough people are interested in the audio version to make this possible for the rest of the series.
After reading the entire gradual interview, I have not seen the answer to this question, so I guess I will pose it...
When Sorus (and others) have to take the antidote to the mutagen every hour to stay human, when do they sleep? The chapter from Pup's POV described his being very meticulous about the timing of the dosage. Granted, he only had a limited supply of the antidote, but Sorus seems to have been taking it for quite some time. Is it necessary for them to take it every hour, 24 hours a day?
Thanks again, Jay
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Gosh, you know, I wrote those books a long time ago; and I no longer remember exactly what I had in mind. But the world of the GAP books is so advanced medically that I assume some kind of automated delivery system would be possible (the futuristic equivalent of the patch <grin>). Sorry I can't be more helpful.
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Bert Torsey, aka Briney the Pirate at KW: Not a question, really, as mush as an observation.
Having just re-read the First Chronicles, I found Golden Boy, as a chapter and a concept, delightfully ironic and somewhat prophetic of what has befallen you since the publication of the First and Second Chronicles.
How about you?
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Well, I would like to believe that--like Covenant--I no longer have "feet of clay." But I certainly see the parallels. Certainly my *career* has revealed its unreliable foundations with a vengeance. <grin>
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Dave, Ellington, CT: Mr. Donaldson,
Have you ever considered writing a work or non-fiction, or indeed, have you ever done so? Something larger than a magazine article anyway?
I imagine that writing fiction requires a large amount of research, as does non-fiction. But I would think the process would be a lot different.
Have you ever had the desire?
Thanks, Dave P.
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I burned out on writing non-fiction in college and graduate school. Fiction is what I love: non-fiction is pure chore. (So, for example, I virtually never *read* any non-fiction.) When circumstances require non-fiction from me, I almost have to hold a gun to my head to make myself do it.
I do believe that a certain mastery of writing non-fiction is an essential prerequisite to writing fiction. But (by my own standards, at any rate) I passed that point three decades ago, and I have no inclination to return to it.
One consequence is that I'll never write an autobiography (despite the steadily diminishing number of requests <grin>). I chose the title while I was still in my teens--"Important People I Might Have Known If I Had Been Paying Attention"--but I'll never write the actual book.
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John Fitzpatrick: So, I've read all your books and I have to say that the GAP series, though difficult at first, is by far your best work. You took the motif (for lack of a better term) that you establish in the first chapter of the first book (this is what you see, but the real story is...) and carried throughout the series with an ever larger scope. Absolutely fantastic. I had to prod my wife to get her through the first book but she is as big a fan as I am. A truly magnificent work. When are you going to do something that complex again? I've read the Thomas Covenant books and I have to say that they aren't nearly as deep. I appreciate your writing and would like to thank you for all that you've given but at the same time I'd like to ask you to take the time and really apply the immense talent that you have to write fiction with intricate depth like so few people can.
Best of luck with your future endeavours, John
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Strangely, many people tell me that they think the Covenant "Chronicles" have more depth.... I think the technical complexity and the--I don't know what else to call it--the sheer nakedness of the character portrayals in the GAP books prevent many readers from looking beneath the surface.
But, as I've said throughout this interview, I don't choose my stories: my stories choose me. So I have absolutely no idea when, if ever, I'm "going to do something that complex again." On the other hand, what I'm attempting in "The Last Chronicles" seems plenty ^#$%# complex to *me*. <grin> Certainly I feel that I'm pushing my "talent," whatever it may be, to its outermost limit.
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Doug Alford: It's been awhile since I read the last lines of White Gold Wielder, and my memory is something less than vast. So forgive me if I am asking a question that would be made obvious by a close reading of the Second Chronicles. That said...
I am unclear on the difference between the Law of Life and the Law of Death. What are the strictures of each, and the implications of their breaking?
(And thanks for the novels. They were one of the few healthy compulsions I indulged through my college years.)
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Well, putting it crudely: the Law of Death prevents the dead from intruding on or affecting the living (manifesting as ghosts, visible spirits, etc.); the Law of Life prevents the dead from *becoming* the living (re-entering, re-animating, and re-ensouling their dead bodies so that they can literally pick up their lives where they left off). Together the two Laws preserve the necessary boundary between life and death; but they function sequentially. Still crudely: when you die, first your spirit leaves your body, then it leaves knowable reality. So in reverse, damaging the Law of Death allows your spirit to re-enter knowable reality, and then damaging the Law of Life allows your spirit to resume life in your natural body.
Does that help?
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James Hastings: "After all, Milton wrote about Satan explicitly. Why shouldn't I be equally daring, since my ambitions were certainly comparable to Milton's?"
Ha ha. Your ambitions similar to Milton's. And Ambition was the flaw that made Satan go bad. Clever.
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Ergo Milton = Satan. Which explains why Satan is by far the most interesting character in "Paradise Lost." I *like* it.
But the flaw in that reasoning (mine, not yours) is that Satan was ambitious for himself, whereas Milton was ambitious for his creation ("Paradise Lost"). I like to think that's an important distinction.
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Jerry Erbe: Dear Mr. Donaldson, I've noted from the "BOOK TOUR" section of your website that you will be attending the "The International Association for the Fantastic in the Arts" conference in March of 2005 in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. Their website however does not seem to reference your appearance...since the information IS in the "Book Tour" section, can we safely assume that you will be signing books and meeting the public at this conference? Would you be so kind as to clarify the nature of your appearance at this gathering or is it a "for members only" type of conference?
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The International Conference for the Fantastic in the Arts is an academic conference (a totally different animal than an sf/f convention) where graduate students and professors from around the world deliver and hear academic papers on *many* subjects relating to, well, "the fantastic in the arts." A number of writers find this atmosphere congenial; and for those writers the conference schedules both readings and autographings. I'll be doing both. You didn't find me on the website because you didn't look under the conference schedule: my reading is listed there.
The down side of the occasion, of course, is that you can't attend without a membership. (Which, as at an sf/f con, you can purchase when you get there.) The upside is that it is extremely relaxed, which means that opportunities for schmoozing are easy to come by.
btw, I'm sorry it took me so long to supply this information. I'm over 240 questions behind on the GI.
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brian donovan: I know that you conceived the character of thomas covenant after hearing one of your father's speeches which, I take it it was about his work as a surgeon dealing with leprosy.
I've been deeply curious to know more about the origin of this amazing character for 27 years. I have read all six books at least a dozen times over that period and the lastest ("Runes of the Earth")once ... so far. I have found inspiration and hope in these books that words cannot convey. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for bringing thomas covenant into my life.
Gratefully, Brian Donovan
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I've written at some length much earlier in this interview about my father's (indirect) role in creating the character of Thomas Covenant. My father described the emotional dilemmas of suffering from leprosy with uncharacteristic eloquence; and he followed that by writing what was, in essence, a research paper that gave me all the practical information I needed. The entire "Covenant" saga would not exist without him.
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Fionn: In your short story "Lady in White", I understand that you deliberately left Festil's answer/solution to the Lady's challenges unexplained -- the ambiguity makes for a better story.
My questions are: While writing the story -- or even afterwards -- did you conceive an idea of what Festil did? If you hadn't, then what is the process by which you avoid thinking about it while addressing his brother Mardik's solutions? Surely the creative process requires coming up with various possibilities before selecting the ones most appropriate for the characters and story, no?
Thanks!
-Jim O'Connell ("Fionn") Saratoga, CA alchemists@earthlink.net
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I'm sorry. It is with some embarrassment that I'm forced to admit that I don't remember. I wrote that story nearly 30 years ago (it was in fact my very first published short story), and since then so many other stories have intervened that "The Lady in White" has become a blur. Even if I re-read it now, I'm not sure I could recall the process of its creation.
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Mike Lerch: ..I see you make reference to " the zeitergeist" of the times in an answer. I have a distinct feeling that the " Runes" is addressing another sort of "zeitergeist". The "synthetic realities" of today and the conflict of how human beings are to be defined, thus the reality of the next generation,..seem to be close to the surface . Am I just getting older or did you with intent mean to have the " theme" easier accessed? Perhaps I am out of the ballpark, and I've always enjoyed what I considered your social / political perpsective reflected in your art. It just seems to me its almost right at the surface in Runes. The struggle for the next generation's soul you have taken to heart. Yes?......Thanks ...MEL
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When I write, I am *never* conscious of trying to comment on ANYthing except the story itself. I don't write to expound my views on any subject: I write to tell stories; to see as deeply as I can into the hearts and actions of my characters, and to share what I see as effectively as I can. As a person, of course, I live in what we loosely call the "real world," and I naturally have opinions and concerns about that world. In addition, I'm a highly intuitive individual, and I pick up "feelings" about all kinds of things. And of course who I am as a person inevitably bleeds through into what I write. But I never never *never* have a message I want to convey. Instead I work very hard at discovering and communicating whatever seems to be inherent in the particular story I'm writing.
If you see a clear connection between what I've written and, say, "the spirit of the times," or any other aspect of the "real world," that is an example of the mysterious synergy which enlivens the relationship between writing and reading (and even between writer and reader).
Of course, I do *talk* about the themes in my stories. But that always happens in retrospect: I do it looking back on what I've written. Such thinking plays no role during my creative process.
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John McCann: Stephen,
You stated in previous answers that when you start a project you immediately know how many books it is going to take to complete the project.
Does this prescience extend to the individual books in a series once you start them? That is do you know how the book will be strcutured (sections IEW entire second chronichles, or singlet LFB, TPTP) of the number of chapters it will take to complete the novel?
Now that you have started Fatal Revenant, do you know and would you be willing to share any of the above infomation about it?
One last question while I am on a roll. You've stated your contract requires you to deliver one book every 36 months. While a student, I never handed in a term paper early. Is there any chance you will turn in Fatal Revenant or any of the other volumes of the Final Chronicles early?
Thanks for humoring me John
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The reason I know how many books (how much narrative space) a big idea will require is that I can "see" the general shape or structure of the story (e.g. what crucial events/turning points will be necessary to bring about the eventual climax). This "prescience," as you called it, usually (but not always) extends to the main structure within individual books (for example, I knew from the beginning that "The Second Chronicles" would fall into 8 sections or movements). But it never extends to the, well, micro-level of individual chapters. At that level, I feel my way along as I write. With one proviso: once I've established a pattern within a story (e.g. 12 chapters in Part I of "The Last Chronicles") I do try to preserve that pattern--for the sake of symmetry, if for no other reason. So: 12 chapters in Part I, 12 in Part II. Therefore it's quite likely that there will be 12 chapters in each section of "Fatal Revenant"--which, like "The Runes of the Earth," will be divided into two "parts." (The Prologue in "Runes" doesn't count because it is an introduction to the entire story: it does not pertain exclusively to "Runes".)
I urgently hope--but cannot promise--that I'll be able to deliver "Fatal Revenant" (and each subsequent volume) early. But even if I do, the books may not be published early. "Runes" was prepared and published in an obscene hurry; and that will not happen again. So the time between submission of the manuscript and D&A (delivery and acceptance) of the final manuscript will be much longer than it was with "Runes," as will the time between D&A and publication. If "Fatal Revenant" is to have any chance at all of being published 36 months after "Runes," I need to actually write it in 18 months--and publisher demands burned up the first 6 of those months before I could even look at starting "Fatal Revenant." Then consider that from starting to first submission, "Runes" required 25 months. It's not a pretty picture.
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Jonathan Meakin: Mr Donaldson,
Has there been any word on the release date of the "Runes" paperback in Canada and the UK?
Several times during this gradual interview, you have expressed intent to make revisions to the "Runes" text for the paperback edition. I wonder how you will balance such revisions with the writing of "Fatal Revenant"? Hard work & inspiration, I guess!
All the very best to you and yours, Jonathan Meakin
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I haven't yet been given publication dates for any of the paperback versions of "Runes." If I had any actual news, I would post it promptly in the "news" section of this site. But it's fair to expect that paperbacks will begin to appear 11-12 months after hardcover publication.
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Robert J Frias: Mr Donaldson, this is more of an observational type question than an actual one, but I imagine an answer or opinion can be culled from you.
This pertains to the current "movie" trends and thinking [If that can be used at all in respect to H-Wood].
As a young man I read comics. Then I became a dealer profiteering from their collectibility. The trends in H-Wood are come to them as the ground was largely untapped and rich. Now with the success of the LOTR movies and CGI your books seem a clear choice. Moreover they are [when hindsight will be available], a "No-Brainer".
My observation is simple. We need Fantasy! Escapism in all its forms is a major pasttime is this [and a few] other countries. Video games, DVD,s and the froliferation of other distractions [READ: cell phones] only confirms our need for outside stimuli.
The current crop of comic movies and the wealth they have generated makes it all to clear the Covenant series will get done whether for good or ill. But there is hope. I have seen the material treated with a certain respect and downright fealty so my optimism remains. I have been to sites that suggest cast and directors and have agreed or disagreed [not that it matters an iota].
These few observations are just that and are meant to pry some kind of other answer from you beside your standard.
I also thank you for picking your outlet for your voice. You have made me smile, laugh out loud and get totally aggravated. Bravo for evoking in me these feelings over the last 25 years.
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I don't know what you consider a "standard" response, but you're wrong about one thing. There is not only no guarantee that "Covenant" will be filmed; there is very little likelihood. Think of the odds against. And I don't mean the technical odds, which hardly exist anymore: I mean the odds of theme and character. Why try to compete with the success of LOTR by producing a dark fantasy about a leper/rapist when there are *mountains* of easy fantasy out there begging to be filmed? We'll see writers like Feist, Brooks, Goodkind, and Jordan filmed long before any studio seriously considers Donaldson--or even Moorcock.
(03/13/2005) |
Teresa Dealey: Hello, Mr. Donaldson
I wanted to address something you mentioned about not being religious. There are many spiritual themes... in fact the entire story is a very deep spiritual theme in and of itself. As a Catholic in the loosest almost Pagan sense of the word and former "very" Catholic girl I found your TC books to be helpful spiritually. Do you think you examine your own spirutal beleifs and/or conflicts through the telling of your story? If so, I think you are honestly more spiritual than many people.
Teresa (aka Monstermom, MamaT, SoulQuest1970)
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S.P. Somtow once said (I hope I'm quoting him accurately), "Fantasy is the only valid form of theological inquiry." I wouldn't go quite that far myself. Certainly I think that "Fiction is the only valid form of spiritual inquiry." And I believe that fantasy, as a form of fiction, is particularly apt for the discussion of spiritual questions. The fact that fantasy writers pretty much by definition take "magic and monsters" seriously means that questing, introspective fantasy writers take the "numinous" seriously, the "more than mundane." For this latter sub-group of fantasy writers, quests (and all other forms of searching) actually *mean* something: they reflect, if you will, a hunger for integrity, purpose, and significance which cannot be satisfied by the mere mechanical details of living.
So: when I say I'm not a religious person, I mean I don't adhere to--or even listen to--anyone or anything who thinks that he/she/it can tell me THE TRUTH ABOUT LIFE. On the other hand, I'm *very* interested in the efforts of my characters to discover and name their particular versions of THE TRUTH ABOUT LIFE. And I'm so interested, of course, because I'm trying to do the same thing they are. In my view, therefore, I'm a spiritual rather than a religious person; and I write stories about spiritual questions rather than about religious answers.
To the extent that I "examine my own spiritual beliefs and/or conflicts through the telling" of my stories, I use my characters as, well, role-models for my own questing.
I hope that doesn't make *too* much sense. <grin> I really don't want to be specific about this.
(03/16/2005) |
Petar Belic: Mr Donaldson,
I know you hear this a thousand times, but I'm sure every little bit helps: thanks for the effort you've put in to enriching our lives.
I have a simple question: where comes this fascination for physical blindness - or a lack of eyesight - you have in your story-telling? Nom. Waynhim. Hile Troy. There are probably more references, of which I am too lazy to research. However, there does seem to be a pattern here...
I know you are busy. Thanks for taking the time to read.
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I find it somewhat embarrassing to admit that until Anele came along I didn't actually realize that eyelessness or blindness formed such a recurring (one might almost say incessant) theme in the "Covenant" books. And yet the pattern continues, as you'll discover (if you haven't already) in "The Last Chronicles." Well, I like to think that my sub-conscious has a very good reason for insisting on this particular metaphor. Certainly one of the main subjects of the "Covenant" books is how perception creates reality. For one example, the Land becomes effectively real for Covenant when he "sees" that it is important to him. And for another, the ur-viles and Waynhim stand outside the governing forms of Law in part because they literally *don't* "see". Conversely, Hile Troy doesn't "see" the danger implicit in his attitude toward power: his inability/failure to perceive accurately threatens the survival of the Land. And so on.
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Michael From Santa Fe: OK, I used the search engine at the top of the interview (great tool by the way - thank the web master for me) to search and see if this has ever been asked and could not find any reference to it, so I'm asking...if it has been asked, I apologize, I did try and practice due dilligence: have you ever felt sad by the death of one of your characters (you kill off quite a few so I thought there was fertile ground for that to have happened at some point)? Have you ever killed off a character that you did not originally intend to die? Or, the other way around, have you ever WANTED to kill a character that you originally envisioned to live through the story?
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Actually, I believe I have--and I say this without practicing "due diligence" myself <grin>--discussed grieving over the death of a particular character earlier in this interview. (I refer specifically to the Tor in "A Man Rides Through.") As a general rule, my stories are so thoroughly planned in advance that I'm seldom surprised by "who lives and who dies". (But when I say that I'm not surprised, I don't mean to imply that I'm not moved. Actually writing the stories is a very experiential process for me, and I have strong emotional reactions, even when I've known what's coming for--sometimes--years.) Exceptions do occur, however. For example, the death of Norna Fasner was not part of my original intent--although it came to seem inevitable long before I actually wrote it.
But I never kill off characters simply because I *want* to. For one thing, I never *want* to: I invest too much of myself in my characters to actively desire their demise (although simple pity inspired some relief when Norna was killed). And for another, I don't believe in doing, well, ANYthing gratuitously. If I'm not confident that what I'm doing is necessary to the design and logic of the story, I don't do it. (OK, OK, I often *do* do it--in the first draft. But then I undo it, or alter it in some other way, during my many stages of reconsideration.) Both as a person and as a writer, I need to be able to look back on what I've written and believe that it could not have been done effectively, meaningfully, correctly, in any other way.
(03/16/2005) |
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Michael Blatt: Mr. Donaldson,
I have just begun Runes and 2 things come to mind immediately:
Linden is now working in the role of a psychiatrist -- I wonder if this is some sort of response on your part to the characters you have developed? Your characters seem to me to have all sorts of mental illnesses yet they remain scarily as examples of what we all could be.
Jerimiah - His muteness/numbness but building skill is a recurring theme in your works (IMO). These characters evoke a certain uncomfortableness in the reader - Is this your goal?
In any case I am a fan so please read my questions in that light.
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Speaking very broadly, my main characters almost always have--or revolve around--an illness of some kind. Physical illness (leprosy, gap sickness) or mental/emotional illness (sociopathy, terminal narcissism, alcoholism). Obviously I find such things to be an extremely useful source of metaphors for various aspects of the human condition. But why do such things speak to me (I mean, to me specifically) as clearly as they do? I assume that the answer lies in some combination of: a) my father was a doctor of a kind that was highly valued where he worked (I often saw people kiss his feet in the street: very powerful stuff for a kid to witness); b) we lived in a community of doctors where a workaholic approach to healing was the norm; c) I was constantly exposed to the most appalling forms of human misery and degradation; and d) I've had MANY years of therapy, focusing primarily on PTSD, but ranging very widely.
No, I'm not trying to evoke discomfort when I present a character like Jeremiah. I'm after empathy. However, I've often found that empathy is difficult to reach without first passing through discomfort. No one is comfortable with Covenant--at first. AbsoLUTEly no one is comfortable with Angus Thermopyle--at first (and many people never get beyond that stage). Morn Hyland elicits a lot of discomfort; Terisa Morgan, less. So I'm hoping my readers will be able to go straight to empathy with Jeremiah, but I don't necessarily *expect* that to happen.
(03/17/2005) |
Dave Larson: Mr. Donaldson,
Is there any chance that your books will be available as audiobooks? I so enjoyed the Thomas Covenant Chronicles as they were released but never got to finish The Second Chronicles. I am half blind and reading is difficult but these audiobooks are so well done that they are wonderful to listen to.
Thank You, Dave
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I wish I could tell you that all of the "Chronicles" will eventually be released as audiobooks. But that is highly unlikely: they aren't popular enough. The release of "The Runes of the Earth" on CD was an experiment, and the early indications are that the experiment has failed (i.e. it lost money). So unless something changes dramatically (a successful "Covenant" film would suffice), even the rest of "The Last Chronicles" will probably not appear as audiobooks.
Sorry about that.
(03/17/2005) |
JimH: I bought myself a Christmas present (the new book). Turns out it is a signed copy. How many signed copies are out there?
Thanks
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I can't tell you how many books I signed--including store stock--during my tour(s) because I have no idea. (One store had 150 copies in stock; but 20 was a more common number.) However, for Putnams I signed nearly 7500 copies in advance; so there are (or were) quite a few autographed books out there.
(03/17/2005) |
Todd: Mr. Not-late-for-dinner Donaldson, <smile>
Needless to say, "Thank you" for all you have written and thank you for returning to the Land. But damn you for the ending to Runes... two years to wait now? Well I'll get by.. Seriously, thanks so much for what I consider to be the best collection of any one author that I own.
Just a few questions. One I think is fairly original, one beating a dead horse of a different color.
1) While writing either the Second Chronicles or Runes did the idea of having Linden become pregnant by Covenant ever pop into your mind, if only for a second? I wonder what set of dynamics could have been created by having someone conceived in the Land, born in "our" world, then returning to the Land.
2) Have you ever read E. R. Eddison? Tolkien once said of Eddison "I . . . think of him as the greatest and most convincing writer of 'invented worlds' that I have read." I have tried twice now to get through his Zimiamvia trilogy but have been daunted by the archaic type of prose he uses. I've made myself a pledge to get through that someday (yeah and Moby Dick, too).
Thank you also for this progressive interview format. I've found it a fascinating discussion of the books I love so much as well as the publishing industry.
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1) Yes, the Linden-gets-pregnant-by-Covenant idea *did* pop into my head. Many years ago. But I dismissed it almost reflexively because it violates so many of the basic "rules" I've set up for "The Chronicles."
2) Yes, I've read four Eddison books, the "trilogy" you mention (Eddison left it unfinished) and a stand-alone called (memory, don't fail me now) "The Worm Ourobouros." The style didn't bother me at all: after all, I live on writers like Conrad, Meredith, Faulkner, and Scott. But I didn't like the stories: they seemed empty to me; empty of warmth, meaning, or even purpose. Now "Gormenghast," on the other hand.... I have reveled in those more than once (except for the third book, which in my opinion simply doesn't work).
(03/17/2005) |
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Michael From Santa Fe: OK, extremely personnal question, would not be surprised if you decide not to answer: dog or cat person?
I believe I once saw an old picture of you with a cat perched on your shoulder (or your desk) - correct? So I assume you must have some affinity for cats, but as a cat owner myself it wouldn't surprise me if the cat just jumped in the picture at the last moment. Anyway, do you have any pets currently?
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I'm not a "pet" person. I'm more comfortable with cats than with dogs, but I prefer not to be involved with animals at all. I know, I know: it's a terrible flaw in my character. But people can't change when they don't want to change; so I'm stuck where I am.
(03/17/2005) |
Nathan Eddy: Mr. Donaldson,
You have insisted repeatedly that you are not a polemicist; instead, you write a story for its own sake, because it moves or excites you in some way. But this strikes me as misleading, because what excites you is necessarily entangled with deeper issues like French existentialism (as you’ve mentioned above). So I’m guessing that what passes for “exciting” to Mr. Donaldson goes a lot deeper than what most people would describe as an exciting story. And from reading others like me in this forum, I assume lots of us are reading your work for this very reason, for that underlying depth which gives your characters their meaning, their relevance, and their emotional power. What makes your characters “real” is that their journeys touch upon "what it means to be human”—another description you’ve given for your writing.
But isn’t this exactly what existentialism is? An account of our being-in-the-world? A description of “the human condition”? Life, death, freewill, our roles as our own lawgiver/enforcer/judge (as Nietzsche might say). If “what it means to be human” is that deeper level upon which your stories are grounded, then perhaps you would consider “existential metaphor,” if not “allegory” as a description of what you do? Or "existential fantasy?"
I’m not really trying to find a label for you. I just feel that in an effort to resist that particular label (polemicist), you misleadingly diminish the part of your work that so many of us find unique and epiphanic.
So I suppose my question is: do you REALLY think that your creative impulses can be explained in terms of pursuing an exciting story, or is this just a simplified version you offer to stave off more confusion and misplaced assumptions?
If (as you’ve said here) there are conscious and subconscious parts to our freewill, then this deeper level of significance, which leaks into your stories, is just as much your choice as your stated reasons for writing them. Your passion is obviously under your control. I’m confused why you distance yourself from what it “inadvertently” produces in your writing.
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<sigh> This is all so much more complicated than I ever wanted it to be. You make a number of perfectly valid points. And yet there are some insidiously misleading assumptions at work, many of which I've inadvertently fostered.
In this interview and elsewhere, I've made a number of statements about my work which (apparently) justify your observations. But there are a couple of critical points here which tend to get lost in the discussion (I mean lost by me as well as by other people). 1) Every statement I've ever made that bears on the "content" of my work was made in retrospect; looking back on the work after it was done. In other words, it was made from my perspective as a reader, not from my perspective as the writer. 2) Every statement I've ever made that bears on the "content" of my work was made in response to a question. In other words, it was elicited from a perspective external to my own. Oh, and there may be a third critical point here as well: most of the statements I've made that bear on the "content" of my work were/are intended to apply to art/literature/fantasy in general rather than to my work in particular.
In this context, yes, I really do think that my creative impulses can be explained in terms of pursuing an exciting story. And yes, OF COURSE, who I am as a person profoundly affects what I find exciting. And in addition, my training as a student of literature affects both what I find exciting and how I talk about that excitement. Nevertheless I must insist: I DO NOT HAVE A MESSAGE. Certainly not in the sense that "allegory" implies. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, teach you anything, demonstrate anything, or advocate for anything.
My *message,* if I have one, is simply that good stories are worth reading. Why? Because, in my experience, they expand us. How? By engaging us in extremely specific individuals experiencing extremely specific dilemmas which we would not have encountered otherwise, but which (precisely because they are not us) can increase the range of what we're able to understand and (perhaps) empathize with. Polemics, by definition, is about generalization. Story-telling, by definition, is entirely consumed in specifics.
So you could--if you were so inclined--say that my stance as a story-teller is one of "existential humanism." But that is not at all the same thing as saying that my stories are *about* existential humanism. My stories are not *about* anything except my characters and their emotions; their dilemmas and their responses to those dilemmas.
The observations that we can make about a particular story, or about stories in general, after we have experienced them have the potential to be very educational: they can continue the process of expansion. But they also have the potential to be very misleading because they can confuse the observation with the experience.
Apparently I've made that mistake more often than I realized.
(03/18/2005) |
Nick: Stephen,
I'm almost done with Runes of Earth - it's simply (although there isn't anything simple about it) excellent. I particularly like Esmer, and reading about the urviles, once again. I look forward to seeing more of them too.
One thing I've often thought about when reading the Covenant series is the potential metaphors for the "white gold ring." On the one hand (pardon the pun) I see it as a metaphor for addiction -- for wild magic, like a drug, can be a catalyst for both creativity and chaos. Also, I've often wondered if the duality of the white gold ring represents any particular feelings you may have about the institution of marriage... <wry grin> Do you have any thoughts you'd like to share about the symbolism of the white gold ring?
Another topic: Your Gap Cycle series was excellent, but the evil in it was too gruesome for me to bear. Emotionally speaking, among your numerous works, was that series the hardest for you to write? In those books you described the faces of evil very well... did you pay a considerable psychological toll to do so?
Finally, would you care to share the names of your favorite authors? You've indicated previously that you read very selectively. I was suprised (but respect why) you don't read Card, as I believe he is similar to you, in that he uses the fantasy genre to tell bigger stories, beyond the traditional sword and sorcery theme. I'm curious if you've ever read George RR Martin -- especially given the fact he's your neighbor..
I'd appreciate your comment on the items noted above, but of course will understand if you can not do so, given your very hectic schedule.
Thank you for your wonderful stories.
Nick
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I've discussed my favorite authors too often here to go into that again. But as to your other questions....
Your perspective on white gold is inherently valid, being yours. My own perspective, on the other hand, did not involve metaphors of addiction. I was interested in the white gold ring first and foremost as a symbol of marriage: i.e. of those commitments to each other which people make of their own free will (as opposed to, say, commitments which are imposed on us by our culture--e.g. patriotism--or by our nature--e.g. our commitments to our children). Second, I was interested in white gold because--like marriage--it is an alloy, a union of inherently disparate materials, therefore symbolic of the essential paradox which both challenges and vitalizes our voluntary commitments to each other. (It is, after all, a commonplace to observe that the very thing which makes a marriage worth having is the same thing which is most likely to make that marriage fail: it unites two *different* people.) Third, I was interested in white gold because--again, like marriage--as an alloy it is unnatural (and I hasten to insert that I don't mean this in a negative or critical way), therefore apt as an instrument for the destruction (or the preservation) of what *is* natural. To get a sense of my point, consider the number of lives that are immeasurably enriched by marriage--and the number of lives that are utterly destroyed by marriage.
As to the Gap Cycle. All of my novels come arduously, so I often have trouble distinguishing between the specific difficulties of particular novels. In addition, the incessant shifting of POV in the Gap books was *so* difficult for me that it tends to blot out other difficulties. But the accuracy of your question is revealed in this: after writing the Gap Cycle, I needed *far* more "recovery time" than after any other of my big projects. I was so drained that I quickly sank into a profound depression (there were other causes at work as well) out of which I was unable to climb for over a year. Of course, abysmal sales contributed to that depression: I knew the Gap books were the best work I had ever done, but comparatively few readers cared. But the sheer emotional exhaustion of dealing with so much naked pain for so long was a major factor.
(03/18/2005) |
Mark Sanges: Dear Mr. Donaldson, (do you prefer Dr. Donaldson?)
Again, thanks for responding to my previous questions. I noticed this weekend that Runes of the Earth is now available in eBook format at ereader.com. Hooray! I've already purchased and downlaoded my copy (that's 3 sales of Runes just for me, the hardback, the CDs and now the eBook!) I can now add it to my ever-growing library of ebooks. Did you have something to do with it appearing there after my previous posts about some of your detective novels (The Man Who... series) being available there? You also mentioned that it might be possible to get your other works on that site as well? Is this something you or your agents/editors are actively persuing?
Also, in your last response you mentioned that it's okay with you if someone like myself who prefers ebooks wants to destroy a book in order to produce a scanned copy for their own personal use that you didn't have a problem with that. I'd just like to assure you that I rarely scan books. If they aren't available as eBooks I bite the bullet a read them printed on dead trees like most other folks. But I *NEVER* destroy books in order to scan them. In the case of hard backs, I may damage the binding some by forcing them to stretch open enough to get the page flat on the scanner bed, but I've never ripped a book apart just for the sake of scanning it. And to be honest, yours are just about the only books I would take the trouble to scan simply because they are the only books that I re-read with relatively predictable frequency. However, now I am holding out hope that good, legal, valid eBook forms of the previous two Covenant series, the Gap series and perhaps even your short story collections may become available for purchase as eBooks and thus save me all that scanning, proofreading, and editing time to get good electronic copies!
As always, thanks for all of your works and for providing this forum in which your fans can communicate with you so directly! All my best to you and your family from myself and my family for a happy, wonderful Holiday season and a Happy New Year! Now get to work on Fatal Revenant<sheepish grin>!
Sincerely, Mark Sanges
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Unfortunately, I don't have the "clout" to have any effect on whether or not any of my books appear in e-formats. And, frankly, the sales of e-books are so miniscule that publishers generally don't care. But there *are* a few publishers who are thinking about the future of the industry (Tom Doherty at Tor Books is one, which is why so many Tor books are available from ereader.com), and those people want to position their books as favorably as possible for the changes that lie ahead. Well, my (now former) editor at Putnams was one of those people. Hence the e-version of "Runes." But the editors at DEL REY/Ballantine and Bantam are *not* among those people, so there is little chance that the first six "Covenant" books, "Mordant's Need," the Gap Cycle, or my short story collections will appear as e-books in the foreseeable future.
(03/18/2005) |
Khaliban: Not so much a question as an explanation of the previous question. NEUROMANCER is the definative Cyberpunk novel, a dystopian future over saturated with technology. BLADERUNNER is the definative Cyberpunk movie. Your story "Animal Lover" could also be classified as Cyberpunk. Elements of Angus Thermopyle's reconstruction are Cyberpunk in style which may explain the origin of the question.
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Thanks for the explanation!
(03/18/2005) |
Paul Mitchell: Just wondering if you had ever read any of Primo Levi's books - although completely different genres, it seems to me that there is a lot of similarities in the themes of your work and his -evil, what it is to be human (and inhuman). He was a great writer, and not just his work on Auschwitz. Anyway, I would think he is essential reading as much today as ever - a sane voice in a time of madness.
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Interesting that a number of readers of the GI have mentioned Primo Levi. I wish I weren't such a slow reader; but I'll get there eventually. At the moment, I'm feeling guilty about the dearth of John Crowley and James Morrow in my experience.
(03/18/2005) |
mags: Mr Donaldson I'm halfway through The One Tree,and the question I have concerns Covenant. When I first started Lord Foul's Bane Thomas Covenant was very annoying he whinned all the way through,I was hoping and praying you would kill him off,by the time I finished the second book I felt sorry for him and then a grudging respect,since starting the second chronicles I have discovered that he has crept into my heart even although he is essentially the same person as he was when first coming to the Land.Was this deliberate or was it something that came about by accident.
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In one sense, it was very deliberate. I did *not* want my readers to sympathize with, or even feel sorry for, Covenant at first. Why? Because it's important to the story that Covenant might plausibly end up siding with the Despiser. I wanted him to *earn* the reader's respect--and his own.
But in another sense, it was less deliberate. I always knew where the story was going; and so I always knew what Covenant would eventually achieve. For that reason, *I* always sympathized with him. And I hoped that my readers would see his potential for redemption even when he was at his worst.
(03/19/2005) |
JP: There's a question that's been raging on the "Watch", one that your recent post to the GI further fueled, and it has to do with the Elohim's opposition to Vain's purpose. It seems clear why Findail would have been opposed to Vain's purpose (because Findail thought he would "die" in that scenario), but it's less clear as to why Vain's purpose was undesirable to the rest of the Elohim. Yet in the "What Has Gone Before" for Runes, you make it pretty clear that Covenant is silenced not really to protect the Earth from his power, but rather to make Vain's purpose inaccessible.
Why would the Elohim be opposed to creating a new Staff of Law? Perhaps they preferred having Covenant's ring themselves, but was the alternative an "undesirable" result? If so, why appoint Findail and make Vain's purpose possible?
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This is another example of what I've been calling "open-ended plotting" on the part of the Elohim. Their true desire is that Linden should have and use Covenant's ring. They believe that because of her nature, her health-sense, and her commitment to healing, she could stop Lord Foul (and the Sunbane) without risking the Arch--and without bothering them. So they try to manipulate her into the position of, well, taking over for Covenant. But *just in case* that doesn't happen, they know they need to be prepared for other eventualities as well. For example, they're certainly aware that they might fail at imprisoning Vain. And if they *do* fail, an essential component of their manipulation collapses. So, very much like Lord Foul, they try to prepare for as many different scenarios as they can. If worst comes to worst, and Covenant retains his ring (and his purpose), Lord Foul and the Sunbane still have to be stopped. From their perspective, what actually happens in the story is the least desirable positive outcome.
(03/19/2005) |
Lorraine: I am trying to find one of your books entitled ;Chaos and order; for my daughter. Is it still available for purchase? If so where can I get it. She has all the other Gap series, Forbiden Knowledge, real story, and a Dark and Hungry God.
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I'm told that "Chaos and Order" and "This Day All Gods Die" are still in print. You should be able to get them from Amazon.com. If you can't, I'm in trouble.
(03/19/2005) |
Robert A. DeFrank: Mr. Donaldson
I remember reading in one interview that you once considered the first Chronicles complete and entire and had no plans for a sequel, yet I can't help recalling the destruction of the Staff of Law, which makes the events of the second Chronicles possible.
What was your motive in destroying the Staff of Law, then leaving that issue unresolved, if there was no sequel planned? Did you, at that point, consider that an embodiment and instrument of Law was no longer relevant to the Land?
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Well, the Land survived for a very long time before Berek created the first Staff of Law. In the days before "The Second Chronicles" came to me to be written, I saw no reason why Mhoram and his descendants couldn't make do without a Staff of Law. And if they eventually recovered all of Kevin's Lore, they might conceivably undertake to create a new Staff of their own.
In the first trilogy, clearly, the Staff had to be destroyed because it had fallen into evil hands. And its destruction opens the way for Mhoram and his descendants to continue defining a new way to serve the Land, a way that isn't hampered by the misapplication of the Oath of Peace (a point I've discussed at length earlier in this interview).
(03/19/2005) |
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Garry Shuck: Dear Mr. Donaldson,
First let me add to the chorus by saying thanks so much for your stories. For more than 20 years now I have been carrying them around in my head, like old friends I get to visit from time to time.
And now a question, if I may, in regards to the Staff of Law. We saw in the 2nd Chronicles that Foul’s rejuvenation came via Earthpower, allowed by the destruction of the Staff, and in turn its absence allowed Foul to corrupt the Law and create the Sunbane. It was stated more or less (as I recall) that the Staff inherently supported the Law and allowed its expression. The Staff was first crafted by Berek, but how was the Law able to maintain its integrity prior to the existence of the Staff? Perhaps Foul just didn’t bother with trying to corrupt the Law prior to that? Although that begs the question of why Foul would mess with the Lords in any case, as they had no real power to release him from the Land, unless he was just taking his frustrations out on the Land’s inhabitants, and biding his time until he could get access to white gold? It’s a tribute to the complexity of your writing that it allows such musings…
Thanks also for this forum. A unique and welcome insight into the methods of a master storyteller!
Best Regards,
Garry Shuck, Irvine, CA
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First we need to distinguish between Lord Foul himself and what he's able to do. You can't get rid of evil: that's a fact of life. Lord Foul is always going to be able to rejuvenate himself, Staff or no Staff. In his own way, he partakes of the same energy that enables all existence. But actions like turning the Council into the Clave and creating the Sunbane would not have been possible if the substance of Law had not been damaged by breaking the Law of Death as well as by destroying the Staff.
So how did Law remain intact before Berek created the first Staff? By being what it is. It is the nature of Law (the defined processes which make life possible) to remain intact. I don't know how to explain this well. But I suspect that in all good fantasy there is an organic relationship between the instruments of power and the power that those instruments wield (for example, Sauron could not be killed as long as his ring existed). Law did not need the Staff in order to exist and preserve itself (just as Sauron existed long before he created the rings of power); but when Berek created the Staff as an instrument of Law he could only do so by making it an organic expression of Law. And when he did that, he brought about a situation which had not existed previously, a situation in which the Staff could not be "removed" without damaging Law (because of the organic relationship: you can graft branches onto certain kinds of plants, but once those grafts have taken hold you can't cut out the new branches without wounding the whole plant, even though the plant was fine before you did your grafting).
As for Foul's reasons for messing with the Lords: why do you assume that they had no real power to release him from his prison? The very fact that Berek created the Staff (an organic instrument vulnerable to destruction) shows that the Lords were (inadvertently) helping to create the conditions necessary to Foul's release: they were (unintentionally) devising ways by which Law would be made vulnerable to damage. In addition, I see no reason to assume that Foul *knew* the Arch of Time would survive the Ritual of Desecration: he may very well have been hoping that such a draconian violation of Law would be enough to spring him free. Remember, he, too, is learning as he goes.
Does that help?
(03/19/2005) |
drew: Mr. Donaldson. Thank you for answering my questions so far. I just have a light hearted one, that since I'll never meet you, I'd like to ask you here. Do you have any funny little stories that happened to you in your writting carreer? Things like your cat knocking over your final edition of The Illearth War before you sent it to your editor, or accidentally deleting a whole days writting...things like that? If you have time to share one or two, that would be great!-thanks.
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You consider things like cats destroying entire manuscripts and computers deleting significant amounts of work "funny"? Oh, dear. I consider such tragedies the stuff of madness and suicide. Which is why I keep at least half a dozen back-ups in almost that many different locations.
<sigh> But I spent over a month on an author tour for "The Wounded Land" back in 1980; and during that time I was working hard on revising "The One Tree"--paper and pencil, of course. So naturally on a flight from San Francisco to L.A. Braniff lost my suitcase. Sent it to Bogota, along with my manuscript and all my revisions. (Not, I hasten to say, the only copy of the manuscript. But it was the only copy of my revisions.) Six weeks later, the suitcase found its way home. Intact: only my electric razor was missing. But by then I had already redone all of the missing work.
After all these years, I still don't call that "funny." But it wasn't as cruel has having to write again from memory a chapter deleted by a computer crash. As for writing an entire book over again from scratch: I don't think I could do it. The loss would probably kill me.
(03/19/2005) |
Marc Dalesandro: Mr. Donaldson,
First off I'd like to say that you are my all-time favorite author. A friend introduced me to Lord Foul's Bane when I was all of 13 years old (this was 1986). This Christmas, my wife bought me The Runes Of The Earth, and I had it read in two days of non-stop bliss.
I recently discovered this web page and your Gradual Interview - unbelievable that a major author would interact with his readers to such an extent. Bravo!
Now, my questions.
1) Lord Foul created the banes and powers that he slipped into the Earth (like the Illearth Stone), correct? He presumably knows where they are all located. Just wondering why he never chose to unearth another one - has he simply abandoned the strategies he used in the first trilogy? Or is the Illearth Stone so much greater than the others, that he desires it above all else?
2) I know you have said you have no interest in "histories of The Land" and such, but with the tantalizingly-close events of The Runes Of The Earth, will we ever get to see the story mention or take place in the lands of the ruined empire Doriendor Corishev?
Again, thanks for doing this, and health and happiness to you in the New Year.
P.S. The Covenant books are my favorite, but the Gap series is indeed a phenomenal achievement. Literarily-speaking, perhaps your best. And "Reave The Just" is the finest short story I have ever read. But now I'm gushing.
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I'm sorry to have to say this (sorry because, first, I don't like fobbing people off, and second, I'm so far behind in the GI that you've already been waiting long enough), but both of your questions fall into the RAFO category. I'm simply not willing to "tip my hand."
(03/20/2005) |
Fred: I just saw that you don't really expect to have Fatal Revenant out for 3 more years. Any chance you could bump it up just a little bit, like to March of this year? I think I'm being reasonable in requesting this. Also, please make sure you eat and drink responsibly in the near future, so we can count on you surviving to complete the saga. I would suggest low-carb food, and periodic cardiac stress tests. A colonoscopy might be warranted, too, at your age.
Question -- you have the final saga somewhat fleshed out in your head, but are several years away from completion. On your previous Covenant trilogies, how much did the story change between start and finish? Surely your mind picks out major plot changes/improvements over the course of the effort.
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I've actually discussed this in some detail earlier (perhaps *much* earlier) in the GI. The short answer: the first two "Covennat" trilogies were meticulously plotted before I started writing them, and their respective stories did not change at all between start and finish. But since then my methods have, well, evolved (I prefer to believe that they have not devolved <grin>). My stories still do not change from start to finish; but now they do a fair amount of modulation *between* start and finish. So they remain, well, fixed on a "macro" level; but on a "micro" level I do more discovery and adjustment than I did 20+ years ago.
(03/20/2005) |
spock42: your writing is Unique, but I would like to congratulate you in two aspects that are very unique
1) your vocabulary is phenomenal, I have been reading sense middle school and, rarely read a word that I do not know. you are the exception.
2) your story's have what I call a "moral depth" which means that there is more then is written. And that there are no Luke Skywalker type hero’s.
I have two questions
1) what is the difference between a seer and a oracle and why could only berik be both?
2) Hile Troy seamed to me to be a version of covenant who was innocent, was this your goal to show us that “guilt is power” and the necessity of guilt
Lastly I would like to say that at the end of runes I both hated and loved you, I loved you because you had written such a wonderfully deep book. But I hated you because I could not just go out go out and buy the rest of them. Though I would rather have one book like yours every decade then have a hundred lesser books a day. It makes me wish I had a time machine, or for that mater wild magic.
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Thank you. I wish I could supply a useful answer to your first question. (I'm reminded of a famous story about Robert Browning. Keeping it short: he was asked what something in one of his poems meant, and he replied, "When I wrote that, only God and I knew what it meant. Now only God knows.") The story has moved so far from those particular issues (seer/oracle) that I haven't thought about them clearly in a long time. So take what I'm about to say with a certain amount of salt.
A "seer" is someone who can see/feel/intuit some aspects of the future--or of the possible futures. (I'm sometimes asked questions like: why didn't Mhoram know Covenant was coming to Revelstone? Well, a seer doesn't see "the future" that literally. A seer is more likely to feel that important events are gathering and something pivotal is about to happen; or, we're in a situation that's more dangerous than it appears to be, and we need to be extra careful.) An "oracle," on the other hand, is not concerned with "the future" per se. Rather an oracle sees/feels/intuits things like fate, doom, or destiny (of an individual; of a people; of a world). In some sense this naturally involves "the future," but the oracle's focus is on the inherent nature of the individual/people/world, and on the likely consequences of that nature. So in general--and putting it very crudely--seers tend to be vague, while oracles tend to be cryptic. <rueful smile> Helpful, no?
I don't think there's anything in the text that says only Berek *could* be both a seer and an oracle. Rather it says only Berek *was* both.
As to your second question: your interpretation of Hile Troy is certainly plausible and defensible. I was thinking in somewhat different terms myself, but that doesn't weaken your position. I saw Hile Troy as, well, the hero the reader wants Covenant to be: full of commitment, free of doubt, automatically willing to take any risk and use any power for the sake of the Land (indeed, a veritable Conan in that regard). Hile Troy is (among several other things) one of my attempts to explain why only someone like Covenant has the capacity to actually save the world.
(03/21/2005) |
steve hetey: Mr.Donaldson, First I wanted to say what a great admirer I am of your work. I love the way you challenge my thinking in your books.
My question is about "The Wounded Land". Why didn't Gibbon Raver destroy the ancient relics of the Lords? Why put them behind a secret door in Revelstone just waiting to be found? Also I was curious about the Christian references you made in your books. Were those experiences and feelings you have had in your own life? Thanks again.
A fan forever Steve H
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The Clave's preservation of "the ancient relics" is another example of what I've been calling "open-ended plotting" by Lord Foul. Sure, by destroying the relics Foul could effectively prevent several possible futures. But some of those possible futures lead to his release from Time. The obvious example is the iron heels of Berek's Staff. If those heels no longer exist, a whole cascade of implications follows, most of which do *not* lead Covenant and Linden to the One Tree, and which therefore do not include the possibility that Covenant and Linden might rouse the Worm. That possibility is precious to Lord Foul. And there's no gain without risk. In order to gain what he desires, he always has to risk failure. Just like the rest of us.
I've had several occasions to mention that I was raised by fundamentalist Christian missionaries. That stuff is so deeply engrained in me that I can hardly get out of bed in the morning without a Christian reference of some kind. <grin>
(03/21/2005) |
Sue Given: Dear Mr Donaldson!!
I am so excited to be able to write to you! Thank you for realising my dreams by publishing the ‘RUNES’ and the promise of more yet to come!
I love the vibrant brilliance and creative prowess of awesome works. I love the essence of humanity evident in so many aspects of the Chronicles: in particular;the creation of a socially stigmatised subject as reluctant hero! I love the fact that the ‘hero’ is not unlike any of us, he is weak, vulnerable, susceptible to corruption, flawed and yet possessing the same potential for greatness we all posses. And yet Thomas Covenant is more, he is more like those few among us, who our society discriminate against.
Was this a conscious object of yours?
One issue however, that has always stumped me in my reading of the Chronicles are the Words of Power. Clearly there are only six mentioned and as Kevin’s Lore is now extinguished, will we ever learn more of Kevin’s Lore and the Words of Power? Will the seventh word of power that has alluded us, be revealed?
Will the new lore have any connection with the Lore of Kevin? Sure Kevin’s Lore was flawed (and I am the last person to argue otherwise) <nerdy grin> but is there any redeeming feature that may be salvaged and utilised to enlighten the Land in this new generation of time?
Cheers,
Sky! aka Skyweir <btw a fabulous name that I have claimed for myself .. many, many thanks>
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I probably don't thank the readers of this interview often enough for their graciousness and praise. But I *do* appreciate it greatly.
Yes, I deliberately made Covenant both an Everyman and an Outcast. These are very familiar paradigms: they recur throughout literature (Western literature, in any case). But they recur so often because they're so apt and useful. And they certainly fit the explicitly archetypal elements of "The Chronicles."
As I've said before, I'm simply not willing to comment on what may or may not happen in the next three books of "The Last Chronicles." I deliberately left out one of the Seven Words (and several of the Seven Wards) from the first trilogy. In that way, as in many others, I'm trying to suggest just how much has been lost through the interaction between human despair/carelessness/poor judgment and Lord Foul's destructive desires. Indeed, the entire known history of the Land as it's presented throughout the "Chronicles" is an on-going process of loss. This seems to me inevitable as long as there is no "final solution" to the dilemma of evil.
(03/21/2005) |
Jerry Erbe: Dear Mr. Donaldson, I recently listened to a radio report on NPR about a playwright whose characters were of a rather despicable nature. The playwright himself was bemused by the fact that people often times thought they knew him or knew of if him, based upon the characters that he writes. This got me to thinking about you....do YOU find that people often "mistake" you for TC or take a certain familiarity with you because they think they "know you" based upon the characters in your book? (It kind of reminds me of that old Saturday Night Live episode with William Shatner where he had to explain to die-hard Trekkies that he wasn't "really" Captain Kirk) Since you have recently been out on your book tour and meeting with the general public, have you found this to be the case? If so, just how frustrating was it and how do you handle this type of notoriety?
ps. You're answering fewer questions recently, I hope this means that the powers that be have finally let you put ink-to-paper on Fatal Revenant. Hope all is well. Thanks again for this gradual interview.
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Actually, I've experienced the reverse more often. When I'm "in public" (e.g. on a book tour) people seldom give me the impression that they've mistaken me for my characters. Instead I find that people who know me, in a sense, "privately" are often unable to take my work seriously. The so-called "real" Steve doesn't seem to mesh well with what they find in my books; so they dismiss my books. Or, knowing me, they are unwilling to read my work at all. Sad but true.
(And you wondered why I keep my private life so private.... <grin>)
Incidentally, you can measure my progress on "Fatal Revenant" with considerable accuracy by charting the inverse proportion of my progress on the Gradual Interview. Assign me an unspecified number of words per week (x), subtract the number of words I've contributed to the GI (y), and the result is z: the number of words I've contributed to "Fatal Revenant." If you like trying to solve single equations containing two unknowns <grin>.
(03/23/2005) |
KE8: First, I would like to thank you Mr. Donaldson for taking the time to answer my two questions, and more importantly for writing such wonderful novels.
Anyway, my latest question: why were the Gates for Revelstone never repaired between the First and Second Chronicles? As I recall, the rubble wasnt even removed. Just a symbol of the essential impotence of the Council after the defeat of Lord Foul? I should think Lord Mhoram (who appears to be fairly orderly in temperament) at least would have sent out a clean-up crew for the debris. Oh, and can we look forward to more "cameos" by the Dead in the Last Chronicles? I rather enjoyed seeing my old friends from the First Series appear in the Second, however briefly. I would love to read one last jest from Pitchwife.
Thanks again.
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<sigh> I'm tempted to say--in the nicest possible way, of course--Get a life! But that isn't what I really mean. What I really mean is, Oops!
But here's the explanation I would have provided, if I had remembered to do so: in "The Power that Preserves," the gates were broken inward; the rubble therefore obstructed the passage under the watchtower; so of course Mhoram at al would have had little choice except to clear it away.
As for "cameos" by the Dead, all I can say is (you guessed it) RAFO.
(03/23/2005) |
chris cox: Steve, I first read your books around my 12th birthday (I am now 30) and was totally captured by them, I have read and re-read them more times than I care to count. When I saw The Runes of Earth in the bookshop I was extremely happy and didnt bother to buy the book that I had originally come in for. My question is this, did you have an age group in mind for your readers when you began this and do you still? I have read all your other books and find them just as captivating, your writing style is second to none! Thankyou very much!
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As I've had occasion to mention before, I write for readers who are, in essence, Just Like Me. That is to say, readers who share my love of language, my passionate nature, my ready empathy, my willingness to suspend disbelief, and my tolerance for paradox (to an unsympathetic reader, "paradox" is just another name for "self-contradiction"). For that reason, among several others, I certainly do not write to be read by middle school children. Indeed, the very idea frightens me. And yet I'm confronted over and over again by the (very) humbling fact that many of my most devoted readers first discovered my work as teenagers--and often as early teenagers. Go figure *that* out. My only explanation is that I actually do know how to tell a good story; and that children are often especially willing to suspend disbelief.
(03/23/2005) |
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Khaliban: What is your opinion of the traditional "hero of epic stature" and its illegitimate daughter, the "Mary Sue"? I know such characters can be viable in certain types of fiction but are overused in contemporary fantasy. Where do you think such characters fit within fiction in general and how should they be manifested?
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This is an impossible question. Such stereotypical characters don't "fit within fiction in general" at all: they only fit within specific stories told by specific writers for specific reasons. I like to say that there are no bad ideas: there are only bad writers. (It follows, of course, there are also no *good* ideas: there are only good writers.) As far as I'm concerned, there's no inherent reason why a writer who knows what he/she is doing can't get valuable "mileage" out of stereotypical characters. Or stereotypical settings, situations, whatever. The important question--again, as far as I'm concerned--is, Does the specific writer really know what he/she is doing?
(03/23/2005) |
Robert A. DeFrank: Mr. Donaldson
I've just finished Runes of the Earth, and it was a pleasure to re-acquaint myself with Linden and once again experience a journey through the Land. I'd like to thank you for waiting to produce the final chronicles.
I'd also like to thank you for mentioning Patricia McKillip. I'd never heard of her work until visiting your site.
As for my questions, they all relate to the effect of reader feedback on the creative process.
1) Do you read your fan reviews on Amazon.com and similar sites? If so, do you find any criticism useful in future works?
2) Does the Q and A with readers on this site ever influence the direction of a story? I would think that would be hard to avoid, especially when writing a multi-volume story such as the Last Chronicles. While I doubt this is the case with the grand scope of the story, do you ever find yourself including some particular choice of words or minor plot-twist and thinking "won't so-and-so just love (or hate) this"?
3) While answering questions about your books, have you ever realized some theme or dimension that you weren't aware of while writing the book?
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1) I read reviews as little as humanly possible. They aren't good for me. And they aren't intended to be: reviews exist for the benefit of potential readers, not for the edification of published writers. A review that was written for the writer's benefit would be useless to a potential reader.
2) There is no question that I *have* been influenced by the GI--but not in the way(s) you describe. As a narrative artist, I face an incessant dilemma which (I believe) plagues all artists in one form or another: I suffer from a natural and understandable (and perhaps inevitable) impulse to *leave out* anything that seems perfectly obvious to me. At the same time, I expound endlessly on anything that I find obscure or difficult. But guess what? The things that are obvious to me are seldom obvious to the reader. At the same time, readers are quicker on the up-take than I am (because they read so much more quickly than I write). So: the GI has been particularly good at helping me catch those passages where I have left out the "obvious." To a lesser extent, the GI helps me recognize instances of excessive explanation. When it is complete, "The Last Chronicles" will be a, well, more stable edifice because of the GI.
Of course, editors are supposed to do this job. But these days what editor has the time?
3) Very seldom. But it does happen. I just can't think of an example at the moment (apart from the fact that Anele is Elena spelled backward <grin>).
(03/23/2005) |
Brian Matthews: Hi, Mr. Donaldson, Amy Tan once noted that during all of the Q & A that writers go through, she never gets a question about the most important aspect of writing: the language. Could you please take some time to comment on your views of language and a) how it may have motivated you as a writer; and b) how you feel your command of language has impacted the vividness of your novels?
P.S. I *never* thought I would get to read new Covenent material until a saw your book at a Border's here in Michigan. I am so very pleased that I have eight to ten years of new material to look forward to. Thanks again ;)
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I've spent some time earlier--perhaps much earlier--in the GI discussing language. As I tell everyone, I "see" with language. For me, at least, words--and combinations of words--are the primary source of thought, imagination, and emotion. One quick example: I sat dry-eyed through "Schindler's List" while my friends wept copiously--until I reached the place where Schindler was finally free to *talk* about what he felt, at which point the whole film came into focus for me, and I fell apart. The earlier visuals, horrific as they were, simply were not *articulate* enough to reach me deeply without the support of language.
So a) I probably wouldn't write at all if language and its uses didn't seem as necessary as breathing to me. In some sense, I *live* through language. And b) in my case I can not distinguish between the story I'm trying to tell and the language through which I'm trying to tell it. Covenant and Linden, Terisa and Geraden, Angus and Morn and Nick: none of them exist apart from the language with which I articulate them. And I find that the same is true in most (if not absolutely all) of the books and writers I most admire. For example, Patricia McKillip's language is inherent to her stories: those stories could not be told in any other words. Donna Tartt's "The Secret History" would be completely empty without its specific language. And even with apparently more "functional," certainly less "poetic," writers like Steven Erikson and Tim Powers, I can't make a useful distinction between what they have to say and how they choose to say it.
(03/30/2005) |
James Hastings: Re: The Seven Plots that make up all literature.
These aren't really pigeonholing things, but are really just basic descriptions of the types of conflicts in plots (A story without conflict being considered plotless).
The seven are (and this won't limit your ability to write):
1 - [wo]man vs. nature
2 - [wo]man vs. man
3 - [wo]man vs. the environment
4 - [wo]man vs. machines/technology
5 - [wo]man vs. the supernatural
6 - [wo]man vs. self
7 - [wo]man vs. god/religion Seems to me 1 and 3 could even be lumped together.
I have also heard other theories of 20 basic plots or 34, etc. But those seem to be theories by specific people and have much more specific plots assigned to them. I don't know who came up with the 7. I remember being taught it in 10th grade.
I would say that many of your books fall under Man v. Self, but it seems like most stories have elements of more than one of these going at any given time. Certainly in the gap series you had some characters were engaged in a man v. self thing, while others were in the good old fashioned man v. man or man v. genetically advanced alien species vein. The point there, I think, is that any given story can have more than one plot going at any given point.
So people shouldn't get hung up on the "only" in the statement "there are only 7 basic plots in the world."
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Thanks for this information! Lester del Rey used to say that there were only three basic plots, person vs environment, person vs person, and person vs self; and that the best stories contained all three simultaneously. To me, this seems more useful than the notorious List Of Seven. I could argue, for example, that 1, 3, 4, 5, and 7 above are all the same. Or I could argue that 5 and 7 are variations on 6. The point, I imagine, is that good stories tackle as much as they can contain--or possibly a little more, since "A man's reach should exceed his grasp."
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Perry Bell: Hi Stephen, While I have enjoyed the Covenant series and keeping them safe in my collection, I have a question about the short stories you have done in the past. Im refering to "Daughter of Regals and Other Tales" Have you ever thought of doing a story about Mardik the Blacksmith and his brother Festil? I found that story to be the best short read I ever had! I cant wait for Fatal Revenant. I love the TC series! Thanks! Perry Bell
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Actually, I thought I *did* do a story about Mardik and Festil. <grin> But of course you meant a further story. Sorry, the answer is no. I lack even the merest ghost of an idea that would do more with Mardik and Festil.
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Dan Trueblood: Dear Mr. Donaldson:
The question: Do you find that you are more inclined to make (or entertain the idea of) greater changes in your writing at the end of the day as you review what you have written due the word processor? What I mean is, would you look at the first Chronicles (as you created them on a typewriter) and think, ‘Gee, I would have liked to put another Bloodguard in here kicking some cavewight’s jaw loose, but quite frankly, if I have to retype a page one more time I am going to puke’? As opposed to now knowing that in a few clicks of the mouse you can make a sunny day rain or insert a character that popped into your head at lunch into an earlier chapter.
Ancillary question: You crack me up constantly on this web site. Is your deep, biting wit something that you have to think about before you type, or does it flow out naturally?
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There is no question that the friendly technology of word processing encourages me to do more rewriting than ever before. But the primary result is that my first drafts now have more superficial polish than they once did. I've never, well, thought in the way you describe. I mean that I've never actually been afraid of "work". If a particular scene needed another Bloodguard, then I put in another Bloodguard. More retyping? So what? (Proofreading is a different kind of problem: I *do* get fed up with it.) In addition, working at the typewriter suited who I was at the time. And there are advantages to all that retyping. Among other benefits, it helps preserve internal consistency (because you keep going over and over the same material letter by letter). Still, I wouldn't go back. The time I save by using a word processor is too precious.
My "deep, biting wit," which I prefer to think of as a highly developed sense of irony, comes naturally to me. But it's based on many years of training and experience. I've spent most of my life learning how to conceal myself in various subtle ways; and irony is a particularly useful method.
Of course, I *do* actually have a sense of humor as well. <grin>
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